joining me now is former deputy sheriff and former federal agent randall hill., i appreciate you're being with me as we're talking about two things, dialogue and action here to bridge this divide. there's discussion on "meet the press" this morning with charles ramsey, co-chair for president obama's task force in 21st century policing. here's what he had to say. >> police officers are human beings. and, i mean, when you're being attacked like that, or at least you're perceived of being attacked, it does create some issues and some problems. but i think we all need to recognize that there are some changes that need to be made. i mean, we can't look at it from a defensive posture. how do we move forward? how do we create an environment where we're on the same page? there's only one issue and that is creating safe neighborhoods, but also those neighborhoods where people in it have a sense and feeling of justice and fairness. >> so, randall, what steps should law enforcement take to not only move this conversation forward, but also to result in tangible change? >> y

. >> turn now to randal hill, former deputy sheriff and firearms instructor. concealed carry permit holders, anything they can do to protect themselves in a traffic stop where they clearly in this case frightened a police officer. >> let them know you have a firearm, that you have a concealed weapons permit, but don't move. put hur hands on the dashboard, put them on the ceiling. don't put them anywhere near your body. let the officer grab the firearm from you, but don't move. >> he did tell the officer he had a firearm, a concealed carry permit and the officer told him to get his license. so if he's telling you to get your license, are you saying, don't comply, because that also puts you in jeopardy. >> that brings back another case of why doesn't this officer have on a video camera, to see what happened before the shooting? because if it were me, even as a former federal agent, i don't move, i let them see my identification, and i let them even come up and pat me down and/or frisk me, because i have nothing to hide. from the looks of this, it does look like