>>randy: if dr. conrad murray killed me opposed to michael jackson he would not have gotten four years. >>arthur: you cannot say the fact that it is michael jackson and the fact he is covered internationally doesn't play a role. >>randy: that should be irrelevant. by the way, you are telling me you could never convince the judge when the judge takes the bench on the sentencing that a judge predetermines before anyone opens their mouth? >>arthur: you are talking about four years that means two years and it is not like you go to the bad prison but the lightweight prison, what will he do? >>shepard: she cut in half because of state law and the maximum four years will be less than two years. what he did was according to the judge, he killed michael jackson. he killed a human being. and did things to cover his steps. did things that made the judge believe he is a danger to society. and you complain about four years? seriously? he killed this man. that is what the jury ruled. he killed him. for this you ge

randy? >>randy: the fact people are cheering out there i am a loss. >>shepard: cheering for justice. >>randy: there is no cheering. we lost a superstar. a man is found guilty. his life, too, and his family, their lives are forever changed. they are all joined together by this tragedy and as arthur said to his credit, this was in intent to kill michael jackson. >>shepard: we don't know that. we do not know that. we know what was presented before the court. i am not suggesting this is but i am saying we cannot say beyond the conclusion of all reasonable doubt there was. >>randy: he was not charged. for me, i don't understand the cheering. my heart goes to his family and kids and my heart also goes to dr. conrad murray. >>arthur: i have to say this is an example of the system working. you listen to all of the evidence, it seemed he was greecely -- grossly negligent. no doctor would act the way he acted. that was the bottom line what the jury needs to figure out and it is ironic the floor person has a wife who is in the medical field and so he has to have

>>randy: i do.r: by hope they are not in this particular case but there is an enormous amount of national pressure on cops from a small down and i am not saying anything bad but they are not from los angeles and new york and chicago where they deal where this magnitude all the time. for them, this is new year's eve, 2000, and --. >>shepard: do the police officers, in small towns across america, i sincerely apologize to you. most of us, thank you for what you do, we do not distrust you in the going and we believe when a child is missing you are looking for a missing child not trying to close a case. i think you are both gulf of it. >>randy: we both have represented people wrongly and falsely accused and that stings. >>arthur: and i spoke to joe, he said --. >>shepard: the lawyer for the family but for clarification the next ten days after he took the case, in europe, in italy, the only -- and i like him, but --. >>arthur: the only i got from him the way the police approached him, we know you did this

>>randy: we hope. but the jury will speak after the verdict regardless of what the verdict is because that i would be curious so see what it was about the case that really, they deliberated for how long? and so much in my mind they disregarded or didn't think was important that i thought was have very important. >>arthur: you don't even know the verify. >>randy: my sense is they are coming back guilty. i don't agree. it is a quick verdict. we talked on friday. i was surprised they made it to lunch. >>arthur: they were on top of the jury box paying attention and looking at the courtroom demonstrations and they spent two delays deliberating. this was no a six month trial. it was a four week, working week trial. and a last the evidence was some what repetitive, four or five different doctors saying the same thing: you do not give propofol. >>randy: if the trial is about, did dr. conrad murray administer the fatal dose of propofol, he walks. if the case is about, do you give propofol to someone in their be

he explained it away, randy? >>randy: he did.>arthur: randy you are the only one who believes that. >>shepard: everyone else on the four continents that we are available, but maybe it is just other lawyers like you. >>randy: he is presumed innocent. >>shepard: we cannot judge him but to talk about it like people are talking all over the country. >>arthur: what is troubling is the assistant coach. >>shepard: the graduate assistant who watched it. >>arthur: he is waffling, did he tell someone? did he not tell someone? >>shepard: there is no record. he is taking a beating. if you saw him touching a little boy like that, you wouldn't say, wait, wait, wait. >>shepard: randy, arthur, you will be talk later to talk about justin bieber. sorry if advance. but we have a good angle on this. trust me. on saturday night at 10:00, do not miss fox news, the crisis at penn state, a look at everything that has transpired dug the last two weeks saturday night at 10:00 eastern, 9:00 central. a lot republicans in washington want to close down the mo

randy?>randy: arthur, there are three compelling reasons why there should be a hung jury, if not an acquittal. keep in mine there are a number of jurors on the case would had family members die of alcoholism, who have family members who were alcoholics which means they know about enabling and if you enable someone that does thought make you a murderer. so, here is what you have, point one, hold on, arthur, point one, they have not proven how. they have not proven when, so they have not proven who. to believe the prosecution's view you have to believe that dr. conrad murray was a predator and he sought michael jackson out. that he was -- it was the other way around. hold on. hold on. they sought him out. dr. conrad murray was a patsy a guy they knew would say yes. and, number three, the prosecution's own expert said i can't rule out that michael jackson didn't do it to himself and anyone who knows michael jackson, even the fans know, no one tells michael jackson what do do. that is why. >>art

>>randy: you hit it. it is the "yes," because that's the stuff you use to get someone to take a plea or to prevent them from being able to testify. once you have the evidence to support the bake elements of the crime, but you can't prove, how do you prove a negative? >>arthur: that is what the judge hung his hat on to keep him for four months. you were wrong about that. >>shepard: he is wrong to hold them? they can do what they did under the law. they got there now, to the point be they have a difficulty legal system. it is not new information. >>randy: true. >>shepard: only our thing is right and everyone else is wrong? >>randy: i take ours over everyone else. >>shepard: you go there and you are this their world. got do go. >>arthur: what is amazing they had a do over of the natalee holloway case and they came up with the exact same result. >>shepard: failure. thank you, gentleman. the people running president obama's re-election campaign should thing about where they send him on the day they light the c

>>randy: wrong. >>arthur: you point you made is founded on sandusky having any bit of creditability. no one can believe a word this guy says. but what he is caught on audio tape saying in 1998 to the mother of the first victim, where he said something like i'm sorry, i wish i could die or i wish i could kill myself when he admits orally sodomizing a young boy. >>shepard: speaking for number three, play it. >> what did happen in the shower the night that mike mcqueary happened upon you and the boy? >> we were showering and horsing around and he actually turned all the showers on and was actually sliding across the floor and we were, as i recall, possibly, like snapping a towel. horse place. >>shepard: which ten-year-olds do with each other. >>randy: here is the insanity, if i can play prosecutor. the judge volunteered for the foundation, this is just lick the village idiots in this case but something just happened here that is beginning to come back to really, really haunt it. and he was so specific o

>>randy: maybe they should have seen that coming. >>shepard: all right, randy.ews is america's election headquarters. don't you forget it. the latest fox news poll of g.o.p. contenders shows gingrich surging ahead of the rivals and leads romney by 1 percent so it is tied. you account for the margin of error, gingrich has 23 percent and romney 22 percent and herman cain dropping like a rock and rick perry out of sight at 8 percent and way behind, ron paul. but you breakdown candidates based on likability, integrity, and expense, it is interesting. and republican strategist is with us, active in presidential politics since the 1980's and was deputy assistant with george w. bush. brad, starting at the top, the polls show fox news poll most likable candidate 2012: romney, kaine, gingrich, and rick perry, and michele bachmann. >>guest: likability means a lot in presidential races especially when you have a president that is unpopular. so, romney gets the benefit of be consistent and being likable. he was not mean at the debates or divisive. he was statesman like and

>>randy: permission to interrupt. circumstantial evidence, what do we do with circumstantial evidence? >>guest: clued every other hypothesis to a moral certainty. the prosecution's own star witness could not exclude the fact that michael jackson gave it to himself. which means --. >>arthur: there is no evidence of what. it could be someone came through the window, and gave him this? >>shepard: you are a one trick upon pony on this thing, aren't you. >>randy: i am selling justice. and the system. he is presumed innocent. >>arthur: what happened today, the doctor did not take the stand. he could not. but what he may have gotten by taking the stand was the sympathy of, maybe, three on the jury. not that he could save it but if he came off as i'm a good doctor, i'm a go guy, i made a real bad mistake and three on the jury are like, well, and there is a hung jury, maybe he get as plea down the road. >>randy: testifying can only get himself into trouble. >>shepard: probably get this by thursday or so it sounds like. this hu

>>randy: he is his lawyer.>shepard: so geraldo has good ins over there, let's get him on the line. >>randy: the charges against giordano are laughable. laughable. laughable. >>shepard: end the united states invaded afghanistan 10 years ago the government said pakistan was a key ally. our great friends in pakistan. with friends like the pakistanis ... the relation help is at best, damaged, and now new fallout from a deadly nato attack overtime weekend. the situation with pack stage is tenuous at best. stand by for more news ahead. or creates another laptop bag, or hires another employee, it's not just good for business. it's good for the entire community. at bank of america, we know the impact that local businesses have on communities. that's why we extended $13.2 billion to small businesses across the country so far this year. because the more we help them, the more whelp make opportunitpossible. confidence. available in color. depend for women is now peach. looks and fits like underwear. same great protection.

>>randy: yes. no. and unfortunately, no. what is going to happen now, we can pull back the curtain, do not be misled for one second and think that person stated on the one hand and coach paterno are not speaking every 30 seconds. the soft landing is to say i would love to talk about this and do anything that i can, but, the university has said, and my lawyers have said, i must keep my mouth shut. so, the soft landing is, distance, good cop bad cop and the school is the bad cop and the coach goes on to live out his life, his legacy destroyed. >>shepard: the question is, does he deserve a soft landing? 2002, he and coach sandusky were described to me as best friends. or among the best of friends. so, you have to assume they sat dune and heard about this and talked all boat it, they did not get details he did not find out enough? >> a few months later that paterno sits him down and says you are off the staff and you are not coping with us any longer. you have to look at this serious issue in two lights. first, in the criminal a

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>>shepard: randy, be careful. >>randy: i am sitting here, watching joe pa and the one thing that comes to my mind, coach, it was your grandson that was one of the ten-year-olds in the shower, would he be saying, i love you, i love you, we will talk tomorrow," a coverup? a coverup? how could this man have said well i will just report it upstairs and my job here is done? how many kids would have been saved if he simply --. >>shepard: and that is what this is all about. nine nine that -- 1999 his friend retired and continued to have access to the penn state campus, including on campus last friday, joe paterno knew there were allegations and he did not tell the police. forget the man who witnessed the allegations we are talking about the icon of that university, the most powerful man on that campus, so powerful he thought yesterday that he could temperature the university board of trustees when he would resign and he only learned last night he is not. did you hear what he said? i won't be on the side lines. maybe. he

randy edsall hoping to send out the 15 seniors as winners. second quarter, brown who rotated -- rotated with o'brian and connecting with campbell, the 13-yard touchdown. the terps build a 13-7 lead. the virginia responded with 24p answered points, less than two minutes in the half. the wide-open, 34 yards. virginia led 13-49 at the half. third -- 13-14 at the half. the move here, the terps defenders go flying by. 17 yards. 31-13 and to become bowl eligible the first time since 2007. randy said sal -- edsall and the terms are not going bowling. >> there were things we did out there and other things we didn't do and that is kind of the story of the season. you know, the big plays againstous defense and hurt us all year long and not being able to make some plays offensively is what hurt us. >> losing the game for the seniors being the last game in the stadium and was really emotional and losing to virginia. the last team you want to lose to. >> and you do everything that you can to prepare you to win the game and that doesn't go your way. the le

>>randy: i don't how you do it.rankly, it takes one terrorist attack, one almost terrorist attack, and you can take all of that money and throw it out the window. at what point is the pun secondary and our security foremost? we have guys getting on planes in their underwear and making homemade bombs getting it from the internet and we are worried about --. >>shepard: the guy trying to make the homemade bomb the f.b.i. says is no threat and the f.b.i. is saying this is new york trying to get some ink about something other than occupy wall street. he is bad but he was not going to do anything terrorist. he claimed terrorism could have been the wrong label. >>randy: that was monday and today is tuesday and today . >>arthur: she from upstate new york, good point, novice 10 would stop that guy from coming in. he is from new york. so, to your point, it is a balancing test between our safety and the economy and letting people in. how many of the people on 9/11 were living here? how many were u.s. citizens? we are doing the

randy chopped, what can i say about randy?e have gone back and forth over 30 years, but the mural restoration is just another wonderful step -- and it is a happy step. a few months ago we were here talking about police protection, but this is a happy step. something that the tenderloin residents, the retail community, and property owners, can rejoice in. as long as we continue to work together, this tenderloin is going to get better and better. randy, again, thank you for what you did hear. >> carolyn from the mid market cbd is also here. there is a story about market and tenderloin, dark past, shared future. now we are going to have some fun hearing from the actual artist, susan cervantes. >> thank you, randy. thank you, everyone, for coming out. i want to thank the mayor for his passionate comments. for our part, we feel very honored to have had this opportunity to do some restoration in the tenderloin. we have a couple of other minerals, one on golden gate and one on the glide, for we have contributed to neighborhood beauti

randy, are you here? thank you for following us for all of these years and having the marine corps take care of us. willie brown, it was a table top exercise and a wonderful program. also in 2003 we work together and created the mayor is a summit, where we invited mayors from around the country to come from around the toussaint francisco and talk about technology solutions for homeland security and, essentially, disaster response programs. he is the longest serving speaker of the california assembly and to term mayor of san francisco. thank you, willie brown, if you could come here and give us some remarks. [applause] >> good afternoon to each and every one of you. i am delighted to be able to introduce the panel of individuals who collectively will assume, on any given day and any given set of circumstances, the responsibility to orchestrate the process by which we remain as safe, secure, and free of harm as is humanly possible to do, in case of either a natural disaster or a man-made disaster. in my cap

>>randy: i did. >>arthur: i was at lunch with a bunch of personal injury lawyers and they would love do have this case. >>randy: but not in a criminal court. >>shepard: have a great day. hang tight. a texas judge who took off his belted and used it to beat his disabled daughter is talking. he says it was not as bad as it looks. you decide. every time a local business opens its doors or creates another laptop bag or hires another employee, it's notust good for business. it's good for the entire community. at bank of america, we know the impact that local businesses have on communities. that's why we extended $7.8 billion to small businesses across the country so far this year. because the more we help them, the more we help make opportunity possible. free gold ! we call that hertz gold plus rewards. you earn free days, free weeks and more fast. that's a plus. upgrade your ride. that's a plus. rewards with no blackout dates so you can redeem anytime. and it's easy to redeem your points online. already

. >>> the "cnn newsroom" continues right now with randi kaye. randi. >> hi there, fred. thank you very much. >>> hello, everyone. wall street to washington. cannes to california. a world of big stories changing by the hour and you'll see them all starting right now. >>> an economic summit aimed at staving off disaster is history. the g-20 leaders who have been meeting in the south of france are pledging to boost the international monetary fund and to keep a close eye on italy. but it is greece, not even a g-20 member, that suck up all the attention with a political drama that could reach a climax tonight. cnn's chief business correspondent ali velshi joins me again from cannes. ali, we heard today from president obama, we heard from the president of france. do we have any more clarity than we had at this time yesterday. >> reporter: well, the clarity we have now, yesterday we were thinking there wasn't going to be a referendum. now the greek finance minister has told the eu there will be no referendum. but as you alluded to, within about six hours or so there is going to

. >>> cnn newsroom continues right now with randi kaye. hey, randi. >> thank you very much. an iconic coach and an unconventional candidate. the latter insists he's in it to win it. the alexed sex abuse scandal unfolding at penn state is far from over with so many questions still unanswered t. university, the sports world and the community are just beginning to digest the horrifying allegations that former defense coach jerry sandusky groped, fondled and had sex with young boys, one as young as 7 orr 8 years old. the attorney general says more victims and charges could be coming. this is moving far beyond sandusky and threatens to taint the golden legacy of head coach joe paterno. joe paterno's tenure as a coach will be over soon and penn state is planning his exit. the time cites two people briefed on conversations with penn state officials who says the board of trustees has yet to determine the timing. if this is a sign of anything, paterno was scheduled to hold his weekly news conference about an hour ago. reporters including our jason carroll were there ready to ask pate

at mary and randy winters' house, anxiety spiked. where was she? >> it just felt like something was not right. >> it's hard to explain that there's something not normal. >> you could set your clock by their daughter justine. that reliable. but a new driver, too, just 16, due home at 8:00 from her boyfriend's house. and even though she wasn't very late, the feelings seeped in like a poison. something wrong. >> i called her starting about 5 after 8:00 and no answer. called the house where she was at, and they said she had left 15 minutes before that. >> i was thinking she went off the road between their house and us. >> not far away, another family, the other half of our story, was on the road, too. erin thompson was driving her son caden home from a school concert. he played the drums. >> i had always attended all of caden's concerts, and this is the first one i didn't attend because i had car trouble. >> this is caden's stepfather, jason thompson. >> my car was in the shop and finally fixed so erin dropped me off and that's why i wasn't with them.

i want to bring in randy wine garth tonight discussion, president of the american federation of teachers. you say if teaching were such a lucrative profession, why would you have such high attrition in the first few years. you completely disagree with his analysis? >> this is what i thought when i read the analysis, i remember back to you know, kids these days, they have a great expression, are you kidding? he that's kind of what i thought about t but because the bottom line is this, if teaching was such a great profession, people would be banging down the doors to get in there and people wouldn't be leaving. in fact, i would like jason to spend one minute with me in one of the schools i taught in or all around the country because the bottom line is it is the only profession i know where people actually subsidize the work they do. if you look at the statistics, the statistics of similarly situated people, we are paid 14% less than those with the same education. what's worse is this, we want the best teachers to come into the profession, we want people to have great working conditions, we

randy's clothes ignite. >> when the second fireball hit me, threw me back maybe six, eight feet. i'm watching the flames kind of flicker up out of my shorts. >> one tank of compressed gas after another begins to explode. >> explosions were going over the top of the building. every time one of those would explode, you know, way up high over the top of the building, the heat radiant off there would just light me up. >> incredibly, randy and the three other people at the facility are all able to get out before the entire place erupts into an inferno. minutes later, dallas fire rescue arrives. >> once we got there, we weren't sure exactly what was going on or why it was happening but we knew that we had a big problem with a lot of air cylinders. >> randy and a colleague are rushed to the hospital with multiple third degree burns. >> i was just all big bubbles everywhere. it was just crazy. from there, you know, the pain starts. once the adrenaline runs off. >> even with everyone out of the facility, fire officials are up against a formidable beast. >> initially, i had never seen anyt

with no time to head to the hospital, her boyfriend, randy, took over. >> you go, randy! >> yeah. after two minutes of coaching, randy delivered his first child, a little girl. >> two minutes? >> -- who has given her new dad an amazing and memorable start to fatherhood. a bet a lot of women are jealous of that. i'm lynn berry, this is "early today." >>> our time right now is 4:28. we have 58 degrees here in the nation's capital. this is a wet stay. >> a wet stay? >> i'm joe krebs. >> good morning to you. i'm eun yang, and welcome to "news 4 today" for this wednesday, november 16th, 2011. >>> new from overnight, two men are dead from two shootings in prince george's county. police do not believe the shootings are connected. the latest one happened on the 2100 block of county road in district heights. investigators found the man shot and killed on the grounds of an apartment complex. the man's body was found on the playground. earlier, police found a man shot on the 700 block of murray avenue in oxon hill. officers checked it out after reports of shots fired. they checked out a man

randi. >> hey there, fred. >>> hello, everyone. all eyes on cannes but the g-20 summit is watching greece and it is not a pretty sight. herman cain is pointing fingers but a rival campaign says it can't leak what it didn't know. that is where we start today. a whole new round of accusations and denials in the hottest story in politics this week anyway. the man now leading the republican race for president says he think he knows who leaked a sexual harassment allegation from the 1990s. herman cain says he confided to an advisor named kurt anderson back when cain was rubbing for a senate seat from georgia in 2004. today anderson works for rick perry who's plummeted in the polls while cain has soared. but that's hardly the final word on all of this. cnn chief political animal gist gloria borger joins me now with many more words, some of this from kurt anson himself. hi, gloria, what's his side of this? >> i spoke with him this morning on ""american morning." "his side of it is just flatly that the conversation that herman cain said ha

i'm looking for my kid. >> randy he's cooperating.t's take a polygraph, forget this i'm not going to hide. i can't talk to you because my lawyer is saying i can't talk, please. she is a mother, do everything you can to find your child. >> our job as a lawyer is make sure the target isn't already drawn on the person and shoot at it. you are supposed to figure out who did something by deductive reasoning not determining she did it and let's build a a case around her. >> you don't continue to be in the mix and she continues to be in the mix. >> as defense lawyers we don't permit that because this is what happens. >> reporter: there's a lot of quacking, waddling and washing yourself off, that's all i'm saying. >>> new developments in the penn state sex abuse scandal. we'll tell you which former fbi director is heading the investigation. >>> plus, have you seen this? have you seen this? would you look at this. that is a police officer spraying in the face pepper spray on students who are sitting doing nothing, at least in this video. captu

she was comforted by jermaine jackson and randy jackson. latoya jackson, michael jackson's sister let out a shriek even though we were all warned not to make any type of reaction to the verdict. but on the other side of the courtroom, anderson, was conrad murray and his family and friends. conrad murray, when that verdict was read, anderson, he did not react at all. he sat there stone faced staring at the bench and the judge. what was interesting, the next thing the judge did was dismiss the jury and he sentenced conrad murray, told him to go straight to jail even though the defense said he's not a flight risk. but the judge said he's now a convicted felon. this was a homicide even though it was a lower class of a felony. it still was a homicide. he said he could be a danger to the public, and he'll stay in jail until his sentencing november 29th. but the most bizarre moment was when he was handcuffed. the court proceeding was not done yet and hes was handcuffed even while he's sitting in his chair. even the judge said, let's wait a minute.

defense attorney randy zelin is here.ou don't have to be a genius to figure out something awful happened here. mom has dreams of strangling the child and now the child is gone. >> it is fristful to think that a mother would leave here child in an automobile. and that is what this casey point dozen and why the police concerned, that the mother is actually the prime suspect here because it just doesn't make sense. not to mention the fact that she was charged with this before, almost the same exact incident occurred before and she was told so she knew that leaving the child there alone was not only wrong but criminal. and she did it anyway. why, you wonder? you have to ask, why in the world does she think it was important to take her four-year-old out of the vehicle but to leave her two-year-old there? there is no way that 2-year-old scattered out of the car. >>shepard: i think maybe we move on from that story, there are too many things we know do not make sense. >>randy: why refuse the lie detector? >>shepard: no one believ