i think randy barnett is not the head of a conspiracy. i think the he's of an important intellectual. i think what he's doing in trying to persuade the heart and miebled of america. i think the intellectual influence is great. i think many judges has embraced his vision and energid judge -- and include john roberts. but others haven't embraced the vision. those include more judicial restraint conservatives. shouldn't we conservatives be attendive to the claims? are we the activists now? and josh notes that jeff later upheld the health care law and suggests he was influenced by the challenges. it wasn't an intimidate to him. it was an attempt to call him and the other conservatives to the principles and continue to raise the restraint. so all i would say is i hope this important debate goes forward in the country. let's abandon efforts to personalize it to imagine the inside deal. it's a battle of constitutional ideal which is a wonderful thing. that's with a we exist to host at the national constitution center. i'm proud to have participa

so it's an honor among that to have randy barnett be here. [applause] >> well, thank you very much, ilya, for that introduction, and congratulations, josh. >> thank you. >> mazel tov on this wonderful accomplishment of having a book. i remember when josh was -- did i meet you in your second year or third year? >> second year. >> second year of law school. it's kind of interesting. i met david bernstein when he was a law student as well, but it's interesting to see when these law students accomplish big things, and this is a really, truly big thing that you've accomplished with this riveting book. you buy this book if you want to hear a great story, because that's what it is, it's a terrific story about what happened. it's the behind-the-scenes story written by somebody who not only interviewed all the principals who were involved including people from the government and got their perspective that had never been shared publicly before, but josh was actually there at the beginning, at the very moment in which the opposition to obamacare, the le