as they always say, winners have lots of friends and losers are really orphans. >> randy evans. thanks very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> robert costca and matt welch, robert let me start with you. on the lewindowsk i-news, they say he's not prosecuted. he's got other problems on his hand because it seems like he's being pushed out to the edges of this organization. >> based on my report, lewindowski isn't pushed out. trump is certainly expanding his inner circle brings in rick wiley and scott walker's campaign manager. already have veteran hands new to the team. ben carson's bid and of course, paul, the new strategist on delegates. >> it seems to me like this is attempting both an inside and outside strategy at the same time. they have to be aware the math is going to be tough to get to 1237 and they're about to win abunch of states big. >> yes, the way i see trump now is he remains his own chief strategist. he's underscoring his outsider appeal. at the same time, this is an organization that's struggled repeatedly. it's not built relationships across the country within

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now, you had an rnc rules committee member the other day -- >> randy evans. >> randy evans. if donald trump gets over 1,100, he's going to be the nominee. >> because of the unbound delegates availability. >> i don't think that's the case. i think he's wrong there. a couple, maybe a month and a half ago, said the opposite. he said you don't understand the voters aren't picking the nominee, we, the delegates are going to pick the nominee. i had conversation after conversation with high-level leadership in the rnc who tell me that if donald trump is close to it, he's going to be the nom nominee. >> let me say one thing about this. it's important. we talked to corey lewandowski earlier. from my perspective any time the people aren't voting or participating fully, they're not getting full representation, that's a problem. because it's a national party, and i know state s want to make their own decisions on how to do things, okay, but the decision should be do we want to caucus, do we want a primary, do we want proportional distribution or winner take all? i don't like the idea of

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we'll have more on that with randy evans later in the show. "the new york times" is also reporting, quote, republicans who once worried mr. trump might gain overwhelming momentum in the primaries are now becoming preoccupied with a different grim prospect, that mr. trump might become a kind of zombie candidate, damaged beyond the point of repair, but too late for any of the rivals to stop him. jonathan, is there any validity to that? clearly at this point, there's no evidence of him weakening. >> there's certainly republicans who are worried donald trump is going to be the nominee and cost them seats in the house and the senate, perhaps cost them both chambers that he could -- cost him the presidential election by landslide, and there are people who are talking about possibly putting up another candidate for other republicans to sort of come to. i think what's important to remember when we look at this process is the reason that donald trump won't get 1,237 delegates, if he doesn't get them, is the majority of republican voters at that point w

now, you had an rnc rules committee member the other day -- >> randy evans. >> randy evans. if donald trump gets over 1,100, he's going to be the nominee. >> because of the unbound delegates availability. >> i don't think that's the case. i think he's wrong there. a couple, maybe a month and a half ago, said the opposite. he said you don't understand the voters aren't picking the nominee, we, the delegates are going to pick the nominee. i had conversation after conversation with high-level leadership in the rnc who tell me that if donald trump is close to it, he's going to be the nom nominee. >> let me say one thing about this. it's important. we talked to corey lewandowski earlier. from my perspective any time the people aren't voting or participating fully, they're not getting full representation, that's a problem. because it's a national party, and i know state s want to make their own decisions on how to do things, okay, but the decision should be do we want to caucus, do we want a primary, do we want proportional distribution or winner take all? i don't like the idea of

david: randy evans said more than possible. randy evans said he will become the nominee if he gets 1100. >> only way we can guarranty anything if it is 1237. in this campaign it is so crazy it is hard to make hard predictions on anything. we'll see if donald trump is that great negotiator. we'll see if we get to lack of a ballot, lack of organization will hurt the donald trump campaign. cruz people know these folks years and years. donald trump meeting them for first time. david: fine point on it, doug heye says if he has 1100 by end of primary season he could probably get the nomination. >> i said if he gets 1100 we'll see if the greatest negotiator in history. david: doug, thank you very much. >> thank you, david. melissa: quinnepiac, have him up over 50%. ted cruz remains in dead last. the closer to kasich in bun of the polls than the other and it is a similar situation in maryland with trump heat leading the pack, with kasich second in the monmouth poll. cruz comes in second for marist. david? david: republican candidate te

as you just heard, talking with randy evans and charlie spies. this is a battle between the front-runner and the rnc and some of its biggest contributors. what happens next here? how do they make it right? >> well, somebody wins. i think trump is going to regain he sort of lost momentum the last several weeks. he is going to have a big victory. if he stays at 50% or goes above 50% in new york, he is going to pick up a giant set of delegates here. maryland, obviously, he will win. pennsylvania is coming up, a big, large group. >> he has the lead there. >> so he could get the momentum again. cruz has to still chip away in these delegate battles and what have you. trump is now getting better staffers. he had a very weak staff to begin with. they know some of these operations. my sense is that he will go in close. he may not have the majority. if he is close, he has an opportunity before the june 7th primaries to try and wrap this thing up. >> michael, are these antiquated rules? is it rigged? is this the donor class, the wealthy in this country empl

stuart: randy evans. >> he is absolutely right.t: nobody is breaking the rules here, it's just that ted cruz is playing under the rules better than donald trump is playing under the rules, is that accurate? >> stu, you're absolutely correct and it's shocking. you would think after louisiana where he overwhelmingly won the state and ended up splitting the delegates, he would have realiz realized, this is a a technical archaic and arcane. when we missed the deadline in virginia, i think that that trump is learning that this year. stuart: randy, thank you for straightening that out. >> sure thing. stuart: breaking news, it's from the nfl. the tennessee titans trade the number one overall pick in the nfl draft to the rams. i have no clue what this is about. ashley: that's a very interesting development, having covered the tennessee titans for ten seasons in nashville, i'm like what the heck are they doing? >>. this is a team that struggles season after season after season not even close to a playoff spot. i have to see what the strateg

rnc rules committee member randy evans is with me now. randy thank you for the time. >> thank you. deirdre: you say trump only needs 11 votes to get the nomination. however rnc spokesperson michael short tweeted this out, you need 1237 period, no ifs ands or buts. is the rules committee members in agreement with one another? >> yes we are. what i said this morning was that the rule is that you have to get 1237, 1237, no question about it. i did say if donald trump got to 1100, here we call it spitting distance of 1237 i thought he would cobble together the other 137 delegates he needs. there will be 150 to 200 unbound delegates available. i would be shocked if someone get to 1100 and not get the nomination. i then said on the other hand, if nobody gets to 1,000 delegates, neither trump nor cruz, i think we would see a free-for-all. we'll see a complete free-for-all on the convention floor. the real brokering will come -- deirdre: real brokering women come in cleveland i assume? >> the real brokering will come if trump gets past 1000, but not to 1100. i don't think there are enough

here is randy evan >> someone could get to 1,100 and not get the nomination. if nobody gets to a thousand delegates neither trump or cruz i think we'll see a free-for-all free-for-all. deirdre: does trump seem inevitable because the way randy evans made it sound. >> rules exist to make something fair. that's why the 5 yard line is not a touchdown in football. these rules that done there are keeps complaining about have advantaged him greatly so far. while he has gotten about 36 or 38% of the vote, he has gotten 43% of the delegates. mat overrepublicans are i am plaqueable in their d the majority of republicans are i ae implacable when it comes to donald trump. he's flaunting the popular vote of the people. deirdre: the senator cruz picked up some support from people who don't like donald trump. but on the other side, congressman peter king earlier this morning made some very blunt criticism of senator cruz. here is king's comments. >> i'm not endorsing ted cruz. i think it would be cyanide if he ever got the nomination. deirdre: what do you make of comment lik

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, randy evans, the guy who said donald trump can come to the nomination with just 1100 delegatespite the fact that the rule is 1237. but can still get the nomination with 1100. let's bring in rebecca berg. the rnc says there's no story here with this numbers thing. >> well, it's not a story in the sense of a concrete threshold that donald trump would need to met. 1237 is the number for any candidate before cleveland. what this number represents is sort of the idea of what happens if you come close. and there are enough unbound delegates in the process, 112 of them and there are enough delegates to get on the second ballot just for momentum. if you get close to the number, the magic number of 1237, there is thinking among many republicans that donald trump would be able to ultimately lock up the nomination. but with those unbound delegates, i would just caution that locking them up prior to cleveland is going to take some level of organization that really donald trump's campaign hasn't really exhibiting to this point. >> it's interesting, because we -- my rebels, i love the rebels

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rnc rules committee member randy evans. >> mostly we played this much of the game already under one set of the rules. it would be unfair the change the rules in the middle of the game. >> reporter: the rnc is fighting back against donald trump's claims that the nomination process is unfair, a contested convention. trump has complained the delegates could supersede actual voting results, for example, trump won all 50 delegates in south carolina, but that victory could be short lived. state chairman matt moore. >> our delegates in south carolina are free agents on a second ballot and beyond. you can't predict what they will do. >> reporter: trump's top campaign operative paul manafort is trying the smooth tensions with the committee. >> what he's talking about is creating transparency between elections and how delegates are selected. not for this cycle, but he started a conversation for the next four years. >> reporter: and so he's going to live within the rules for this campaign as they're written? >> we're winning with these rules. >> reporter: manafort also told us trump will win the n

evans: randy evans from the state of georgia. first of all, i want to say thank you to my colleague, solomon yue. i appreciate the good work he has done for this committee. i rise in opposition, however, to his motion for a number of reasons. first and foremost, we're basically in the seventh inning of the ballgame and i don't think it's right that you would change the rules of the game in the middle of the game so you had rules in first seven innings and then got to the eighth and ninth inning, got to the end of the game and said, hey, we're going to have a whole new set of rules. we're going to convert from several notebooks to this book which is, i might add, rather fine print even for a lawyer. and so i would say that i don't think we should be changing the rules in the middle of the game because it's extremely dangerous. i think second and equally important is, as everybody acknowledges, this is a very hotly contested election. and any change that we make would be viewed with a large degree of cynicism. one of my colleagues

evans: randy evans from the state of georgia.irst of all, i want to say thank you to my colleague, solomon yue. i appreciate the good work he has done for this committee. i rise in opposition, however, to his motion for a number of reasons. first and foremost, we're basically in the seventh inning of the ballgame and i don't think it's right that you would change the rules of the game in the middle of the game so you had rules in first seven innings and then got to the eighth and ninth inning, got to the end of the game and said, hey, we're going to have a whole new set of rules. we're going to convert from several notebooks to this book which is, i might add, rather fine print even for a lawyer. and so i would say that i don't think we should be changing the rules in the middle of the game because it's extremely dangerous. i think second and equally important is, as everybody acknowledges, this is a very hotly contested election. and any change that we make would be viewed with a large degree of cynicism. one of my colleagues po

this is randy evans. >> what i do expect to happen is this, is that if donald trump exceeds 1100 votes,000 delegates, then i think we're looking at a contested convention that could go on for many, many days. then in the middle there's that gray area between 1,000 and 1100, that's where the unbound delegates or the delegates that have been released by other candidates come into play to see if there are enough of those to get either cruz or trump over the finish line. >> bob kosta, does he make -- 1100 is the new 1237. >> i think mr. evans is reflective of how a lot of these rnc members and senior members see the race. kind of like in baseball when you haven't clinched a playoff spot but everyone sees you have enough wins to be in the playoffs. >> mike allen? >> mika, in the break we were talking about why the republican convention is like dating and momentum matters in dating. momentum matters here. you have the rules and reality. if trump looks strong, if he's winning going into it, if he puts a california campaign together, which he's a little late on, it's going to be tough and ugly

the rules committee, randy he have -- evans, how trump can win at the convention. eye-opener here. >> if donald trump exceeds 1,100 votes, he'll become the nominee, even though he may not have 1,237. if he gets less than 1,000 delegates, then i think we're looking at i contested convention that could go on for many, many days. and then in the middle, there is that gray area between 101,100, and that's where the unbound delegates or the ones released by other candidates come into play. >> at least somebody has a thought here. i keep asking, what's a gimme here, if he doesn't get 1,237 here, is it 1,137. this guy says if it's 100, it's a victory. contested election, but over 1,000, he could still win it then. >> but i don't know who randy evans is. >> a member of the rules committee. >> the truth is, these -- this guy has changed all the rules. this is going to be an absolute free-for-all. and -- >> not exactly. if the republican party gives this nomination to somebody who finds their way of squirrelling in, take his delegates with him, walk across the street and say

rnc rules committee member randy evans. >> we played this much of the game under one set of the rules. it would be unfair to change the rules in the middle of the game. claims that the nomination process is unfair. especially if the fight goes to a contested convention. trump complained the delegates could supersede voting results, for example, trump won all 50 delegates from south carolina but that victory could be short-lived. state chairman matt moore. >> delegates in south carolina are free agents on a second ballot and beyond. can't predict what they will do. paul manofort is trying to smooth tensions with the committee. >> creating transparency with elections and how delegates are not for this cycle. but for the next four years. >> so he is going to live within the rules for this campaign as they're written. >> we are winning with these rules. >> manofort told us trump will win the nomination on the first ballot. >> we're convinced we will win on the first ballot. it will be obvious in middle of nominee. >> reporter: manofort told us trump expects to sweep all five primaries nex

randy evans from the rnc rules committee says if trump doesn't hit the magic delegate number of 1237 a deal could be cut at the convention. >> i think if neither candidate gets to 1,000 we are looking at a wide open convention. if it is over 1100 the band wagon will push trump over the top. if you are in that middle park 1,000 and 1100 i think you will see deals cut, you will see a sayings where u a nominee a candidate go to a state chairman somewhere and say you have got 166 delegates sitting out there, wouldn't your senator like to be my running mate. running mates may ke a big difference and they can deliver delegates, too. there will be plenty of deal making if we are in the critical number of 1,000 or 1100 delegates. >> voter registration gone wrong. thousands of people including some celebrities registered for the wrong party all because of confusing wording. according to la times as many as 3 and 4 people who are registered as a member of the american independent party may have picked the party by accident instead of registering with no party affiliation. demi moore is among t

joining me to talk about osome f them is randy evans, a member of the rnc rules committee. >> thank youor having me. >> there is a rules committee meeting in cleveland a week before the convention where you can change the rules. >> where the rules can be recommended be changed. remember, only the floor of the convention itself can change the rules. there will be a convention rules committee meeting a week before the convention begins to recommend rules for the delegates on the floor of the convention to adopt during the first two days of the convention. >> let's talk about the delegates. look, next week in pennsylvania for example, donald trump could win the popular vote but he may not get the majority of delegates because only 17 of the state's 71 delegates are awarded to the top vote get 'er and the other 54 vote for who the state tells them to vote for, that's you guys. >> well, know, they have 54 unbound delegates. that's why i said earlier in the week if donald trump got to around 1100 the could kolb together the other 137 out of the 200 unbound delegates floating around looking to

. >> and joining us to break it all down is randy evans a member of the rnc standing committee.u are the person to ask. so what about it? what are the rules? >> well, the rules are actually very simple. under rule 40, once the delegates have all been seated and credentials, the secretary will begin the roll call vote. at the end of that vote, if no candidate affirmatively receives 1237 votes, then under rule 40-e, the secretary will begin to call the roll again. now, the important part of that is there have been some news analysts say what you need to do is win a majority of the delegates that are vote. that's not true p p. there has to be an affirmative obligation to reach 1237 which is one-half, over one-half of the delegates entitled to be cast. and that is really why it's an affirmative obligation as opposed to simply being a competitive situation with the other candidates. >> so give us a sense of how this plays out on the convention floor, ballot one versus pal lot two if we even get there. a lot of talk about deals being made. does that start on round one? >> no, my expec

in this case, i want to go to what randy evans said on msnbc, he said if donald trump exceeds 1100 votesminee even if he doesn't have the magic 1237 number. is how is that possible? >> first of all, you have to have 1,237. that's the bottom line. no wiggle room on that. i don't know what he is inferring. maybe he is inferring if donald trump has 1100 and ted cruz is half of that or two-thirds that that he maybe thinks it is best that donald trump be given that nomination on the second ballot. certainly the rules are not changing. that you have to have 1237 to secure the nomination. if no you don't go you go to a second ballot. >> do you think this will be a contested convention? >> i don't know. i guess we will have to wait and sewt pans out in the states, california on june 7th. as you know this has been an unprep diktable race. for me to guess if it is contested we will have to wait and see. our hope is we will be united when this is over. >> thank you very much for sharing your perspective there. >> up next on this wednesday, if you are a juror in the trial, lawyers want to know if yo

. >> and randy evans joins me now. 1100 is the magic number number? i thought it was 1237. >> it is 1237. i said if he gets to 1100, the band wagon effect will take over, people will be jumping on the trump trade and he'll ride to 1237. it's part of the political process. people on the sidelines suddenly decide he's close enough, they want to be on the winning teams and they typically attract a lot of delegates toward the end. >> have you heard about the moment, though, hash tag never trump? there are people who don't want him to get the nomination just as many -- a lot of people do want him to get the nomination. >> i think that's right. i think once you get that close to 80 to 90% of the requisite delegates, after that the momentum takes over and it's hard to stop that kind of animal when you're close to the convention. >> so all these unbound delegates that ted cruz supposedly has had great organization throughout the states, going and trying to get them on his side on a second, third, fourth ballot, what do you make of that organization versus don

randy evans is on the rules committee. mr.is is largely over, that donald trump is quote, on the doorstep. how so? >> well, because he's already won new york very handily. the schedule really favors him. you've got the northeast basically primary coming up on april 26th and he's within a stone's three of 1,100 and once you pass that threshold the delegates really start to jump on board. remember, you've got a whole generation of insiders who are looking at the possibility of an outsider president. they're going to want to stay on the inside. the best way to do that is to get on the trump train. i think that train is certainly approaching the station. >> i've explained to my audience just a moment ago the importance of pennsylvania because of this unique untethered 54 of the 71 being able to do whatever they want to do in cleveland. will you speak to the importance of the commonwealth of pennsylvania? >> oh, absolutely. the 54 delegates when combined with other delegates can either a deal maker or a deal breaker. if they decide

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i spoke to randy evans who is a republican national committee on the rules committee and drilled intoa that really trump just needs to surpass 1100 and when he gets close, there will be people there to make a deal -- >> let me ask you a question, if he blows out pennsylvania today, doesn't that put enormous pressure on the delegates -- >> i have to tell you something. in my area four running for three spots. one of them was a woman with whom i spoke. had her on my program saturday. she's for ted cruz on how many ballots? as many as ted cruz will be on that ballot. there are many for donald trump by the way who regardless of the way their congressional district votes are saying i am voting for this particular person. i respect that. but the voters don't know unless they really investigate. >> it's a crazy -- it's honestly a crazy system and we showed this earlier. let me show you again. trump is organizing in the state. if you're republican and you go in, you want to know in your district who are the trump delegates. they have a list for you. here is the list. otherwise, you have no id

here's randy evans on "morning joe" earlier today. >> what i did expect to happen is this.rump exceeds 1100 votes, he will become the nominee even though he may not have 1237. if he gets less than a thousand delegates, then i think we're looking at a contested convention that could go on for many, many days. and then in the middle, there is that gray area between a thousand and 1100. that's where the unbound delegates or the delegates that have been released by other candidates come into play to see if there are enough of those to get either cruz or trump over the finish line. we won't know that until we get past california in june. >> i want to bring in jeremy peters now, reporter for the "new york times," and msnbc contribute tormsnbc contributor. what do you make of his assessment? >> i think it's a little bit higher. there are some unbound delegates, maybe 150, i don't know the exact number, so that would mean trump would have to get almost all of them, and while his powers of persuasion are certainly quite good, think about all the trips to mar-a-lago he can offer, he

i spoke to republican national committee man, randy evans, friday night. he said delegates are only bound for one round. what's important is that the delegates will also vote on the rules of the convention. so a cruz supporter could vote for rule changes that would negatively impact donald trump. and, yes, the trump team was late to the game, but they were probably like me. they incorrectly assumed that a candidate that is running as a constitutional conservative would not try to undermine one of the rights given under the constitution, and that's a right to vote. this was a public election. it was paid for by georgia tax dollars, taxpayer money. and yet, at district conventions across the state, they systemically disenfranchised voters that voted for donald trump. it is a travesty. why bother having an election if you're going to let the elitist, within the republican party, overturn it. >> let's let bob barr respond to that. go ahead. >> it's hard to know where to start. i mean, it's just such babbling nonsense. the fact of the matter is that the electio