only, as charlie rangel said today, mr. rangel said there's a cancer here, you got to remove it. do you agree with mr. rangel? >> i think there has to be action. look, i was the first democrat to say that mr. miller should be relieved of his responsibilities and so miss lerner. i said that a few days ago. i believe absolutely we need to get to the bottom of it. just don't throw apples at the top if you have no evidence to support it. and in the hearing today, there was no such evidence. we should have a nonpartisan hearing, not look for political points. >> okay. let me agree -- thank you, both, for coming on. mr. reichart. thanks for coming on. give us a sense of your structure so we can identify who made the decision to code the republicans are gleeful over the outreaj. so much so that they are urging republicans to bring up any legislation. in other words, just keep the scandal complex going. # it won't look if they place the cards right. how sequester cuts endanger critical search that could affect you. the national institute of health. and if you believe evolution is a lie o

charlie rangel did a lot here. what i'm impressed by is the lawmaker who wants to fix the problem because he believes in what government can be positively. i've got two members of the house ways and means committee joining me tonight. i want to start with congressman rikert. let's look at the tape and react to what we saw. let's listen. >> the reality is this is not a personnel problem. this is a problem with the irs being too large, too powerful, too intrusive, and too abusive of honest, hard-working taxpayers. >> is this still america. is this government so drunk on power that it would turn its full force, its full might to harass and intimidate and threaten an average american who only wants her voice and their voices heard? >> you get a letter from your folks or a phone call, it's with terror that you look at it. now this kind of reconfirms that, you know what? they can do almost anything they want to anybody they want any time they want. >> the bottom line is for those looking, this is an audit, and it's helpf

congressman rangel saying that there was real potential for abuse there that had to be oversee?orge, here's the point, we can talk about the laws ought to be changed. and yes, i'm for tax reform. but the question is, was there an unbiased, even-handed enforcement of the law? there was not. what's happening in cincinnati what's happening in cincinnati, and unfortunately, in other places in the country, including california and washington, d.c., there was a bias. so, we can complain about what the law says. this issue is about the enforcement of that law, the american people deserve to know that it's not being biased. that it's even-handed. that it's fair. in regards to tax contribution. by the way, earlier we heard some discussion from dan pfeiffer about whether the irs is the appropriate body now to look into obama care, and he didn't sound very confident. he said we'll have to look into that. to the point you made earlier about dan balz's article in the washington post, big government was promised to deal with these issues to solve our problems, i think that's also being brough

only, as charlie rangel said today, mr. rangel said there's a cancer here, you got to remove it. do you agree with mr. rangel? >> i think there has to be action. look, i was the first democrat to say that mr. miller should be relieved of his responsibilities and so miss lerner. i said that a few days ago. i believe absolutely we need to get to the bottom of it. just don't throw apples at the top if you have no evidence to support it. and in the hearing today, there was no such evidence. we should have a nonpartisan hearing, not look for political points. >> okay. let me agree -- thank you, both, for coming on. mr. reichart. thanks for coming on. i think we made two points. i think we heard ships passing in the night. the one point, mr. miller, the acting head, did not answer the questions which were appropriate. he must have known they were coming. give us a sense of your chain of command. give us a sense of your structure so we can identify who made the decision to code the various organizations trouble. and then also i think there is a real challenge here to the chairman of the

this is going into the permanent record, unless as charlie rangel, the long time member of the ways and means committee. made the point. unless you cut out the cancer, another watergate term -- >> cancer. >> there's going to be an assumption that everybody in the irs is part of the problem. >> you know, so smart about that. >> i've known former irs commissioners, republicans and democrats in different administrations. this used to be the agency you could trust other than in the nixen years, to not do political things. >> they're proud, the guy that landed on d-day, great men, great people that have worked over there. and yet there seems to be some tin ear, even in mr. miller's case where he said bad customer service. that's not it. there's a perception. i always say this to people on the progressive-liberal side. suppose under w, the irs was looking at any group called progressive or liberal or anything like it and targeting them for what looked to be harassments. would you think that the administration then in power had nothing to do with this? would you think even in a narrow kay, the

>> step back until we get to the bottom of this. >> congressman rangel? republican agenda instead to stop the president of the united states. there's no evidence, that whatever went wrong it was known outside of cincinnati. they should have been better trained to deal with a very sensitive piece of legislation that was abused by the left and the right. >> gentlemen, thank you all very much. >>> our powerhouse round table is up next. can obama escape that second-term curse? all business purchases. so you can capture your receipts, and manage them online with jot, the latest app from ink. so you can spend less time doing paperwork. and more time doing paperwork. ink from chase. so you can. help the gulf recover, andnt to learn from what happenedg goals: so we could be a better, safer energy company. i've been with bp for 24 years. i was part of the team that helped deliver on our commitments to the gulf - and i can tell you, safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge safety equipment and technology, like a new deepwater well cap an

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when charlie rangel is saying how could you abuse the code, you know you're in a weird place. >> i wanting about the ethical problems of the tax code over and over and with underneath it your point about the hypocrisy of congress. are you kidding me? >> self-awareness. >> a little bit. on the hill. >> at least -- what is the nick, what is the prognosis for the 501(c)4 exemption or the political activities piece of that getting changed back to where it was. saying if you're a social welfare organization you cannot engage in political activity. is that a likely change to result from the controversy? >> it could be, but here's the hard part. everyone involved in this is doing kind of a kabuki. everyone knows how the rules work to their benefit or detriment. republicans understand that without these groups and their spending advantage over the liberal versions of these groups, they would have a harder time holding on to the house, or achieving the senate. everyone knows this. it's not in their interests, really. you know, these kind of tea party groups got banged up. it doesn't affect the b

but one of the president's strongest ally, congressman charlie rangel said that president obama needs to give more answers. congressman rangel appeared on msnbc this morning when talking about the associated press story, he said and i quote, the president has to come forward and share why he did not alert the press that they were going to do this. adding, you just can't use national defense as a shield. congressman rangel went on to say that the president should not be doubted, but some other democrats facing election next year are talking tough about the administration. wendell goler was at the briefing and is outside the white house now. what did jay carney say about the president's response to this ap controversy? >> well, we understand the president could not have alerted the press because he didn't know about it. jay carney said it is entirely appropriate, that criminal investigations be independent of any white house. he says the president, attorney general holder talk about policy, but not investigations, which is why the president says he found out about the ap phone records s

cheryl: what do you think of charlie rangel's comments? tax man, can't be a real fan. cheryl: certainly charlie rangel and several committee members were very clear in their questions, very pointed questions and republicans did good job keeping questions short and to the point, looking for fact, miller would not answer. >> i expected him to be more -- we are so sorry. he doesn't seem real sorry. at one point he told -- a constant pleas which was so blunt and honest. cheryl: i do not believe partisanship motivated the people that engage in the practice as described in the inspector general's report. dennis: i love that, but wasn't politically motivated at all, we are targeting tea party groups but not politically motivated. joining us from this side of the aisle are republican who questioned the irs commissioner, ohio congressman peter rosscam. the irs says this was not political and wasn't targeting. from the moment they say that in the hearing today, do you find this credible? >> no. your eyes glaze over when you hear them say that. 16 ti

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. >>> el congresista rangel dijo que es momento que la compaÑÍa diga que se equivoco, y que ellos continuarÁns y no me has querido nunca, yo para ti soy una salvaje, una poca cosa, te vas a ir y me vas a dejar abandonada, don miguel lo dijo. >> no, ya te expliqué, maricruz. >> ¡ya vete de aquí, vete! ¡no quiero volver a verte! tú ya no eres nada mío, nada. >> no, pero ya me voy, quizás sea mejor así. >> sí, es mucho mejor.

rangel is recognized. >> thank you, mr. chairman.audible] >> occurred under the bush appointees as well as the obama appointees? >> there were no obama appointees, so, under, under mr. shulman, i'm not sure-- i apologize mr. rangel, i'm not sure what -- are we talking about-- >> the people that were -- once it was discovered that people were put under a list, a lookout list, that type of thing, regardless of what you call it, were the people responsible in treasury department appointed by president bush as well as continuing service under president obama? basically the question is that mr. crowley was asking about. >> at the irs, the commissioner was appointed under the bush administration. obviously, at treasury, those would be at main treasury, those individuals would be obama appointees. >> what i'm trying to say, this outrage is not democrat and republican, it's -- it involves the credibility of government as relates to american citizens. now, the president has indicated outrage. you have indicated outrage. so, i would assume tha

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rangel is recognized. x. we are all out raged by what has occurred under the bush as well as obama appointees. obamare were no appointees. i apologize. i'm not sure -- water talking about? thatce it was discovered people were put on a book out list, that type of thing, regardless of what you call it, were the people responsible in the treasury department appointed by president bush as well as continuing service under president obama? it is basically the question have already been asked. >> at the irs, the commissioner was appointed under the bush administration. at the treasury, those individuals would be obama appointees. >> the outrage is not democrat and republican. the president has indicated outrage. you have indicated outrage. i would assume we are on the same side in trying to determine how this happened, who was responsible, how far does the cancer go, how quickly can we cut it out? so that tens of thousands of irs employees have this stigma of corruption taken away from them that you, mr. miller, a c

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rangel's question the irs was doing this because they were concerned about political activities by nonprofits. some of these that were approved were chattanooga organized for action, the progressive leadership alliance and the progressive usa. if you were concerned about political activity, did you have targeting lists that contained words like progressive or organizing in their names? >> so let's step back again and let me walk you through the process. we centralized cases based on political activity evidenced in the file. we took a short cut on some of it but we collected, to be blunt, more than tea party cases. mr. george's strong report -- >> there were no progressive or organizing buzz words used for targeting. >> that's correct. anytime it was seen that political activity was part of the file -- >> time is expired. mr. mcdermott is recognized. >>> these days congress can't seem to agree on whether the sun is shining but this issue has brought us together in a way unlike anything you see here. >>> i'm chris jansing. we are continuing to listen to the house ways and means hearing. we have

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. >> and democrat charlie rangel of new york defending the white house in watergate era language. >> how did this happen? who was responsible for it? how far does this cancer go? how quickly can we cut it out? chris: howard, that's john dean language, cancer on the presidency. strong words. i'm not sure he intended to go that far. he did. has the president begun to get control of this baby or is he still leading from behind waiting to read things in the paper? >> what is at issue is not just the obama presidency, it's the whole idea for government for which obama stands. government can have a positive role in people's lives. instead of having that as a symbol, instead of saying obama care which the president defends and a lot of people like, or medicare and social security, you have a model an intrusive an unfair political internal revenue service that goes to the very heart of the conservative argument against obama and against government. >> i agree with that. this is an extreme situation, on the one hand the president seems out of control. he hears about things in the newspaper, t

joining us, too, here in the studio is democratic congressman charles rangel of new york. good afternoon, sir. it has been a remarkable three weeks, has it not, with this case? >> it has been. it has been. >> what was your reaction to these proceedings today and these three students, two of them from kazakhstan, all pleading innocent to the charge of obstructing justice? >> whenever anybody is arrested i go back to many, many year ago when i was a federal prosecutor. and, martin, you really don't know how badly people don't want to go to jail. the first thing is, when innocent people are grabbed and taken into detention and then to court, innocent people are screaming like hell. could you imagine if you were just trying to help a friend as one of your business mates and the fbi is dragging you to jail? you would be demanding -- it would be all over tv. the second thing is this. when these kids understand that whatever put them up to protecting this guy after clearly they knew what they were involved in, when they find out they're facing five or eight years in jail, the fbi

i think charlie rangel or somebody said it's a cancer, it has to be removed.less that's removed, the whole federal government is perceived as guilty. >> i think that's correct. i think this first administrative leave should just be the beginning. i think the acting commissioner should drill down and figure out why this happened, who was involved and get them out of the irs. let's be clear, chris. if you're a progressive, we're not going to hold the white house forever, right? eventually there's going to be a republican president and we don't want politics to enter into the irs tax code regardless of what party you're in. i think -- republicans don't mind the disasters. you're clowns in washington or worse than that >> not to mention, this is -- you're going to see this -- you've already seen it enter into the health care debate. >> already. >> you're going to see this in virtually every debate. the republican talking point will be if the administration can't control the cincinnati office of the irs, how are they going to do blank? how are they going to secure

rangel: i ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks.peaker pro tempore: without objection. . rangel: i heard the last speaker, but there's no question in my mind that when they -- the person from the other side said that the republican party's first priority is not the salvation of our country but to stop barack obama, i didn't take him too seriously after the election, i see the campaign continues. and as a little veteran i understand that. -- as a political veteran, i understand that. let me make it clear what we are doing today. i had a friend that was deeply in debt. he owed so much money that he just knew he couldn't pay all of his creditors. now, it was nowhere near $14 trillion, but it was a lot. the creditors harassed him day in and day out telling him he had to make these payments. finally he got annoyed. he got angry. he called his creditors and told them, if you keep harassing me, ilogical not put your name in the hat because every month i put all of my creditor bills into a hat, but the way you are treating me, harassing me

new york democrat charles rangel. >> how far did this cancer go? how quickly can we cut it out? >> reporter: lawmakers were furious with miller who they say spent the past year denying that tea party groups had been singled out for extra scrutiny when they applied for tax-exempt status. wisconsin republican paul ryan. >> how was that not misleading this committee? you knew the targets was taking place. you knew the terms "tea party" "patriots" were being used. how can we conclude you did not mislead this committee. >> i did not mislead the committee. i stand by my answer then. i stand by my answer now. >> members reminded miller at a hearing in july he say the: with a criminal probe under way, millerpondedarefully. >> i answered all questions truthfully. i did not mislead congress nor the american people. i answered all the questions i was asked. >> so your answer is a nonanswer once again. >> reporter: miller said he learned of the targeting last may, two years after it started. he said he immediately put an end to the questionnaires asking groups for lists of donors. >> the le

i think what i predicted would rangel andou this idea we have 682 billion deficit, that's all, we should just party like as 1999, and you know, i guess after trillion dollar deficits year in and year out it looks great, but is at any time. >> no, i is a fall sense of security, it has come down we're getting a little bit of economic growth, but it is still anemic, and a jobless recovy. we have one time revenue infusions from fannie mae, and freddie mac, these projects over overtime assume that the sequester will stick. here is the question, they have not dealt with three drivers of the disease. that is. social insurance program, health care cost, and need for comprehensive tax reform, uess they deal with those we can't celebrate anything. neil: as you point out even the obama administration revead, it is wored withed about -- it s worrd abo 2016 and after when this comes back to hit the fan. but no one is addressing that. what do you think of that when bothides declared not only no mas, but no bother. >> we can push it out to october, maybe november. i think what we should shoot for it th

call me a charlie rangel fan. today i watched him at the hearings on the irs mess. him say everything i believe. it's this. if you have a problem in a company or on a team or in a government agency, you deal with it.

rangel's questioning and earlier testimony, the irs was doing this because they were concerned about political activities by nonprofits? that seems to be the debate taking place here. some of these that were approved were chattanooga organization for action. progressive leadership alliance and the progressive usa. if you were concerned about political activity, did you have targeting lists that contained word like progressive of organizing in their names? >> so let's step back again. let me walk you through the process. we centralized cases based on political activity evidenced in the file. we took a shortcut on some of it, but we collected, to be blunt, more than tea party cases. mr. george's long report -- >> there were no progressive or organizing buzz words tarp used for targeting, is that correct? >> that's correct. but we collected more people because any time it was seen that political activity was a part of the file, it went into -- >> time has expired. mr. mcdermott is recognized. >> thank you, mr. chairman. these days congress can't seem to agree on whether the sun is shini

rangel, what are we talking about?, the people once it was discovered that people were put under a list, a look-out list, that type of thing and regardless of what you call it, were the people responsible in treasury department appointed by president bush as well as continued service under president obama? so that is basically question that mr. crowley was asking. >> obviously at treasury, main treasure, those individuals would be obama appointees and at the irs would be bush. >> the outrage is that it is not democrat or republican, but it involves the credibility of government as it relates to american citizens. now the president has indicated outrage, and you have indicated outrage, so, i would assume that we are on the same side in trying to determine how did this happen, who was responsible for it, and how far did this cancer go? how quickly can we cut it out so that tens of thousands of irs employees have this stigma of corruption taken away from them, that you, mr. miller, who is a career employee don't have to e

democrats were also furious that the irs and rangeled the affable democrat from new york with his own tax problems, expressings out outrage at the irs hearing. again, nobody knew anything, least of all the white house. we are asked to believe that this malfeasance went on at the irs, the justice department, the state department and the pentagon, without the president's knowledge. we know the nation's commander in chief is not exactly a tape-a work horse, but doesn't his telephone ring isn't investigators are unbound with six committees in search-and-find mode. as the lady said, fasten your seat belts. >> new debate over plans to lower the drinking limit. you may be surprised by the groups that are saying that the limit should stay right where it is, we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] this is kevin. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for him, he's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol. that was okay, but after lunch my knee started to hurt again, and now i gotta take more pills. ♪ yup another

enter congressman charles rangel. is he even disenchanted about the a.p. story. >> the president has to come forward and share why he did not alert the press that they were going to do this. he has to tell americans, including me, what was this national security question. >> bill: all right. joining us now from washington ace reporters james rosen and carl cameron. so you believe the president is in trouble on his home field, cammeron. do you believe that he is in serious trouble? not temporary trouble, serious trouble? >> i don't know if it's serious yet. but to varying degrees he has lots of trouble. among democrats the president is not running for re-election next year and they are. and they don't want to be explaining this constantly. even senate majority leader harry reid yesterday was ticked off about the irs and a.p. scan tells. that doesn't mean he is going to stop pushing the obama agenda. upset about the collection of the a.p. phone records that doesn't mean they will start treating taking responsibility, and frankly firing people. if he does tha

call me a charlie rangel fan. today i watched him at the hearings on the irs mess. it's this. if you have a problem in a

enter congressman charles rangel. is he even disenchanted about the a.p.. >> the president has to come forward and share why he did not alert the press that they were going to do this. he has to tell americans, including me, what was this national security question. >> bill: all right. joining us now from washington ace reporters james rosen and carl cameron. so you believe the president is in trouble on his home field, cammeron. do you believe that he is in serious trouble? not temporary trouble, serious trouble? >> i don't know if it's serious yet. but to varying degrees he has lots of trouble. among democrats the president is not running for re-election next year and they are. and they don't want to be explaining this constantly. even senate majority leader harry reid yesterday was ticked off about the irs and a.p. scan tells. that doesn't mean he is going to stop pushing the obama agenda. upset about the collection of the a.p. phone records that doesn't mean they will start treating taking responsibility, and frankly firing people. if he does that, wel

rangel. i'm not sure, are we talking about -- >> people, the once it was discovered that people were put under a list, a look out list, that type of thing, regardless of what you call it, worry the people responsible in treasury department appointed by president bush as well as continued service under president obama? basically what mr. crowley was talking about. >> at the irs the commission was appointed under the bush administration. obviously, at treasury those would be, at main treasury, those individuals would be obama appointees. >> what i'm trying to say, this outrage is not democrat and republican. it involves the credibility of government as relates to american citizens. now, the president has indicated outrage. you have indicated outrage. so i would assume that we are on the same side in trying to determine how did this happen, who was responsible for it, how far does this cancer to? how quickly can we cut it out? so that tens of thousands of irs employees have this stigma of corrup

i want to play congressman charlie rangel on the record earlier. >> people are losing confidence in our government and i hope that you feel the same sense to find out what caused this, how it could happen and help us to restore the confidence that americans should have in their government. >> so while everybody wants to get on the record as being tough on this and coming down hard on whoever it is that is responsible, does it seem that the democrats have the president's back? what advice would you give to those insiders who are looking to turn this ship around, to prove that the irs can be trusted under the obama administration to work fairly and efficiently? >> at the end of the day crisis is ultimately a challenge of whether you, your organization, your entity is trust worthy. and the only way you can begin to rebuild trust or demonstrate that you are trust worthy is by engaging in credible actions. everything you do, say, every piece of information that you put out needs to be through the prism of is this going to enhance my credibility or undermine my credibility. as the irs moves f

brian williams is talking watergate, jon stewart stops covering for you and even tax cheat charlie rangel won't stick up for you, things are not looking good at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> the last time the government was found looking into the phone calls of reporters and using the irs for political purposes, it was the nixon era. >> mr. president, when did you find out about the irs targeting conservative groups? >> i first learned about it from the same news reports that i think most people learned about this. i think it was on friday. >> no one at the office thought to run that up the flagpole. i wouldn't be surprised if president obama learned that osama bin laden was killed when he saw himself announcing it on television. >> i don't think that anyone believes the president has given a sufficient answer for america. i think this is just the beginning. >> you didn't just hallucinate. i promise that really happened. and you know what? i want to congratulate the media today and the comedians. finally, they are seeing what we have been saying for years, welcome to 2007. >> of course, it

you know, charlie rangel is right and other democrats are right, the president needs to come out andmore aggressive out this. it doesn't matter if you're republican, democratic, independent, no one is out there loving the irs and what has happened here is really unconscionable. >> this morning on "morning joe," david axelrod was asked about this, and i don't want to say he was giving them an a grade, but he did say this about the president. >> one of the things that is true about the president is he is cautious and often wants to see what he's commenting on before he comments on it. no one understood the scope of this. >> so, is there some wise counsel there? does it make sense to make changes before the problem is fully known? >> in any crisis communication, the important thing is to be able to react quickly, early, get out in front of it and demonstrate leadership. demonstrate the fact that somebody's in charge. i think that's the other piece that's been missing here. the other problem the white house has is it feeds into a narrative that's beginning to evolve. a narrative about a

the veteran democratic congressman charlie rangel is here live in the situation room. also, there is another piece of bad blood developing between house republicans and the attorney general eric holder. he got a grilling today up on capitol hill. but he was also dishing it out. >> i'm not going to stop talking now. you characterized something -- >> mr. chairman would you inform the witness as to the rules of the committee? >> -- it's too consistent with the way in which you conduct yourself as a member of congress. it is unacceptable and it's shameful. ♪ (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern. one line, infinite possibilities. ♪ fly me to the moon ♪ let me play among the stars ♪ and let me see what spring is like ♪ ♪ on jupiter and mars ♪ in other words [ male announcer ] the classic is back. ♪ i love [ male announcer ] the all-new chevrolet impala. chevrolet. find new roads. ♪ you >>> right at the top of the hour the president of the united states will be in the east room of the white house to deliver a major statement to

even charlie is wrangling, congressman charlie rangel says this irs thing is over the stop he wants to get the bottom of it right now. the congressman is on the phone. congressman, what do you make of all this. >> i think it is outrageous. i think it undercuts the credibility of our country, of your treasury department. i'm glad that the president feels this way. we got to see some action. we've got to determine, even before the hearings are on friday, who is responsible for this, this conduct. this is irresponsible and there is no justification. neil: do you think, congressman, that i think it was speaker boehner said, they shouldn't only resign, some of the culprits should go to jail . what do you think of that? >> well, first of all you need criminal intent to go to jail. is it negligence? one thing is clear, it is not responsible conduct. so i don't know whether we bring them up on charges but if there's any, any indication that someone deliberately broke the law and clearly this is against law, of course they shouldal be indicted. but more importantly than this, i think the presid

call me a charlie rangel fan. today i watched him at the hearings on the irs mess.ay everything i believe, it's this -- if you have a problem in a company or on a team or a government agency, you deal with it. it's the only sure way to convince people that what they're seeing as b