i'm joined by sir ranil jayawardena and joe just ordinary joe phillips. i'm very sorry about that. that's all right. david. you were heavily involved in the brexit negotiations for many years. what's going on? >> well, firstly there's a degree of labour naivety about this. they think of europe as a good thing. they're all intrinsically remainers. they're a couple of honourable exceptions, but the vast majority are intrinsically remainers. they'd love to be back in. and so they're going to be fairly weak willpower, shall we say, in this exercise, they'll get pressed. they'll get pressed on fishing rights. they'll get pressed on free movement, or at least free movement, or at least free movement for young people, which will grow. they'll get pressed on the european court of justice, because we'll get sucked in and sucked in, and then they'll say, there's only one thing that can arbitrate this. >> one could argue, david, that if the conservatives had actually taken us away from more eu law, it would be much more difficult to get close again. >> not really. i mean, look, i think the i