the family paid the ransom and he was never returned. an apologetic president obama. >> we will find out what happened identify the lessons that can be learned and improve andchanges that can be made. to prevent the loss of innocent lives. >> for more on this we're joined by christopher voss, in los angeles flit. christopher good to have you with us. we've heard it repeated often u.s. policy we do not negotiate with terrorists. is it not hypocritical to have the fbi involved in any way with facilitating a ransom payment to al qaeda? >> you know there's a lot of important key elements to all the things you just said. i'd like to draw some distinctions. first of all you notice that the white house officials say we don't negotiate with terrorists. they say we don't make concessions to terrorists. so first of all that means there are two very different things. we shouldn't be afraid to communicate and we're not afraid to communicate and there was communication in this instance. >> but in this case we're talking about communication and a conc

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mort: let me go back for just a second to this ransom business. the u.s. government's position is that this funds the bad guys, sets a bad president -- sets a bad precedent. but when you are talking about the money, leaving behind all the stuff we paid for in iraq and everywhere else, ransoms are just a drop in the bucket. every so often, there will be some exchange for a guy in afghanistan. what about ransoms? david: i am in the fortunate position of never having to decide. our journalists who were kidnapped in 2009 where the subject of a british raid in afghanistan. steve is a u.k. citizen and steve was rescued and soldutltan was killed in the raid. military raids are very lethal, many times to the person being rescued. i don't think there is an easy answer on ransom and the new york times never had a policy about that. we have been fortunate to never have to face that. but when i think of it as an individual and talking to many families over the past six or seven years who have been involved in these kind of situations, it seems to me that the idea that

first they paid the ransom against all of this it didn't work.tage was not released and now news from last week it's just heart breaking. >> it's tragedy upon tragedy. it is. >> the conflict here in policy and love of people is a really interesting one. and the article's a great one at wsj.com right now. thank you, john. >> my pleasure. >> interested to hear what the fbi comes forward and says publicly so far, nothing. >> probably won't say anything publicly. look, this was a particular circumstance in which a couple of agents or the agency provided information, again, not approving the ransom payment, but just to protect the family. >> yeah. john busy thank you. >>> there's word that islamic state militants are in rome now getting ready to attack there. the group has already vowed to conquer the city of rome. we've heard that. we'll have more in a moment. >>> plus the feds could not tell the difference between a kite and a gyrocopter that gyrocopter thing that landed on the lawn outside the u.s. capitol. we'll hear what went over at the capitol

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the government will pay a ransom for me. and also. i am skeptical of the idea that not paying ransom left side deter kidnappers and the theories is that kidnappers will not take americans or brits because those countries don't technically allow ransom. they take westerners and sort out the citizenship later. the funding and how money is used. and i think that you would always want to avoid paying if you could but i also know that if it was my son. you would find away. and make it into a public policy statement. this is bad for the few of the the country. and hypothetical way. but the point that i would come back to is the one raised. there is, i am not sure we are sending a consistent message to the terrorists. and to the kidnappers. there is an exchange of prisoners for private bergdahl and an american german citizen for somalia of which the ransom was paid and the united states looked the other way. that was i think last year. ransom paid in the philippines that did not work out so well 2002. and unfortunately, the people didn't mak

mort: let me go back for just a second to this ransom business. the u.s.ent's position is that this funds the bad guys, sets a bad precedent. but when you are talking about the money, leaving behind all the stuff we paid for in iraq and everywhere else, ransoms are just a drop in the bucket. every so often, there will be some exchange for a guy in afghanistan. what about ransoms? david: i am in the fortunate position of never having to decide. our journalists who were kidnapped in 2009 where the subject of a british raid in afghanistan. steve is a u.k. citizen and steve was rescued and sultan was killed in the raid. military raids are very lethal many times to the person being rescued. i don't think there is an easy answer on ransom and the new york times never had a policy about that. we have been fortunate to never have to face that. but when i think of it as an individual, and talking to many families over the past six or seven years who have been involved in these kind of situations, it seems to me that the idea that somehow paying ransom encourages jo

finally the question of ransom. the ransom could have been paid by the family of elian by the end the prices were just so astronomical that only the wealthiest types of families in america could afford to pay that money on their own and it was just futile and quixotic. >> thank you for all the incredibly important questions. gary, you paint a picture of the fbi negotiating as a matter of course, having a very very high success rate with groups that were not -- sort of an al qaeda affiliate. pretty major terrorist group it is not -- they are not isis, but isis, but they are still very serious people doing bad things. and then the fbi seems to be stiff arming the families saying nothing, not being helpful. what what happened? what shifted? when did it shift? >> related 90 intel 03 we seem to have greater flexibility and operated with your number of government entities. they would employ a trained skilled negotiator. there has been a shift where shift where they send investigators who may not have some of the communica

and when you click on it it affects your computer with a ransom wear. unlock it is to pay the usually 400$400 to $700 ransom, them the cyber thieves send you a code. most departments have paid the ransom, and they brought in some cyber security experts to track down the cyber criminals but they couldn't find the culprit so they paid the ransom. minutes ago we spoke to an alabama police chief who refused to pay. >> we just chose not to pay and also we chose to knuckle down you know, what would happen again if it got back in again and we you know just keep on doing this over and over again. >> but that chief also acknowledged that his department had most of their files backed up so the hack didn't affect vital information but if the data hadn't been backed up, they would have paid the ransom. so far the cyber thieves are not posting sensitive information online just locking all the information up. and they are making millions of dollars in ransom money so remember you got to be careful what you click on in your e-mail. >> yep, cyber crime is on the rise.

demands-- pay terrorists ransom demands. some democrats voicing support for a change in the policy. >>> it could make sense. i would like to see the data that suggests that families being put in a position where they can pay to get their loved ones homes actual changes the outcomes in terms of how many people are taken os tajhostage. >> the israeli military taking action overnight against what it says were militants planting a bomb at the israel syria border. they stopped the threat. the israeli defense force saying it was a group of armed terrorists. that's a quote for them. israeli media claiming at least three men were killed. no one from the syrian said has taken responsibility for the would be attack. >> for the first time since hammering out a -- or framework for a nuclear deal john kerry will meet with his iranian counterparts. they got together the global conference at the u.n. iran is playing hardball when it comes to listing sanctions as the june deadline approaches. he will meet with counterparts from egypt and jo

hostages might still be alive if ransom had been permitted. >> not allowing that discussion about ransom to go forward was a mistake. you can reach an agreement even with a group as despicable as isis is. >> to be clear, the u.s. government policy that it will not pay ransom or make concessions would not change in the belief that it could lead to more americans being taken hostage, but if president obama approves these recommendations, families or employers who try to raise or pay ransom will no longer be threated with prosecution. >> all right, brian. quite a change. to dick clark, should the president accept this recommendation? >> i wouldn't. the president has to try to make it unattractive to go after americans as hostages. and the way you do that is by saying there are only two things going to happen. either we're going to go in and rescue, or you're going to have that hostage forever. if you say we'll pay, then there will be many more hostages. >> even if it's a private payment. congressman john delaney here, as well. i know you, worked closely with warren weinstein's family during

there is no question that anytime a ransom is any time a ransom is paid kidnappers beat a criminal orpolitical committee encourages more kidnapping. however, with choices are we left with to deal with each situation? a state is a very infrequent event in these incidences. military rescue very dramatic but also high risk for the hostages at the time they are the most likely to be killed, and so the outcomes are generally best achieved through a negotiation process. the fbi began deploying hostage negotiators in response to the kidnapping of american citizens as dictated by law. we have an enormous success rate in the 13 years of my career where we worked about 120 of these cases. the fbi probably has worked to death many cents. how do we do that? we worked with other authorities in the united states and with the families. the policy that we adopted then was essentially going back to the lindbergh kidnapping and that is the decision whether or not to pay is the decision of the family. so, we would deploy and ask the company with a wanted to do. if they decided to pay the ransom even tho

i don't think there is an easy answer on ransom. the neighbor at never had a policy about that -- the new york times has never had a policy about that. when i talked to families over the last six or seven years, it seems to me that the idea of that somehow paying ransom encourages journalists to take more risks is flawed. i don't think people want to be kidnapped. i don't think french journalists think they can do what they want because their government will pay a ransom. i am skeptical of the idea that not paying ransom deters kidnappers. the theory is that kidnappers will not take americans or brits because those countries don't technically do not allow ransoms. i don't think they think of it that way. i think they take westerners and sort out the citizenship later. i think the funding, how the funding is used, i think that you would want to avoid paying if you could, but i also know if it was my son, just as you feel about your children, you would find a way. it is hard to make that into a public policy statement. the point i wou

and the white house would not comment directly allow the families to pay ransom but they did say this hostage policy review is under way is focused on ensuring the integrating the wide range of assets deployed to try to recover a hostage it is not considering a u.s. policy of making concessions to terrorist organizations. lou: they have already made important concessions and in fact, you will back a policy of no concessions with terrorists but not putting in place say succeeding strategy but to negotiate directly a nuclear framework that remains the largest a sponsor of terrorism to insert the muslim brotherhood into the new egyptian government. by agreeing to a prisoner release of five taliban leaders iran also holds three american hostage but this white house refuses to call them hostages at the president fears that would hurt them at the negotiating table. he replace no concessions with the ad hoc and destructive policy of accommodation including shutting down guantanamo. he regrets not shutting it down in his first day in office and makes it clear his policy of accommodation has r

. >> reporter: this massachusetts police department forced to pay a ransom. it all started when the tewksbury police received a threatening message like this. >> our information was held hostage. >> reporter: critical files locked, inaccessible and the demand -- pay a $500 ransom or kiss critical data good-bye. >> the best option for us, even though it was the last and worst option for us was to pay the ransom. >> reporter: this type of cyber crime so rampant, it's responsible for crippling more than a million computers, including those of police departments in illinois, tennessee and new hampshire. hackers even demanded the city of detroit pay $800,000, but the city refused to pay. >> we're worth money. all of us. because we're willing to pay for our computers to come back. >> reporter: abc's rebecca jarvis spoke to a small business owner who paid the ransom after losing his company's files when an employee clicked on an suspicious e-mail. >> i thought, we have backups, we're okay. that wasn't the case. >> reporter: back in tewksbury, the chief, who assured

it appears families will not be prosecuted for paying ransoms. sailors are missing in alabama after boats capsize during a violent storm. and for many skiers this year winter has yet to end. elsewhere it never began captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news." >> jeff: hi, everyone, i'm jeff glor. shock has given way to grief and fear. but also continued hope. authorities in nepal say at least 2,000 people are confirmed dead after yesterday's massive earthquake. the frightening aftershocks continue today. here's a look at where those have happened so far. this as searchers continue for survivors. holy williams is in kathmandu. >> reporter: they've already begun to cremate the dead in the nepal. lighting hindu funeral pyres for their loved ones. but the final death toll may not be known for days or even weeks. >> rescue teams are digging through the rubble hoping to find survivors. like this man who emerged alive this morning. but beside him was the body of another man who lost his life to be earthquake. they expect to find many mor

government policy prohibited paying ransom to hostage takers.has learned it could soon change. abc news chief investigative reporter has the details. >> as the american hostage was being threatened by isis with death, his parents say they were threatened by the white house with the prosecution as they tried to raise ransom for his release. >> that was upsetting. we are not doing anything and if you try we will prosecute you. >> now officials tell abc news that a white house review of hostage policy could lead to an end of such threats. there will be absolutely zero chance at one of the officials of any family member of an american held hostage overseas ever facing jail themselves or the threat of prosecution for trying to free their loved ones. >> if we can have families free to do what it takes to get their loved ones out that's a first step. >> katie coleman was captured in pakistan in 2012. >> i am a prisoner of the taliban. >> in this video with her canadian husband by her side she disclosed she had given birth while in captivity and pleaded

no we don't pay the ransom.ttom line here is the way you avoid paying ransoms is to kill them before they take hostages. i'm sick and tired eric of people saying there is no military solution. we have never tried a military solution. we have sent our troops whether under bush or obama into theú gá4< battlefield so much fear of any collateral damage that we have never tried a military option. you kill these suckers, that's how you stop the kings. >> leave it right there colonel peters, thank you very much. when we come right back, prosecutors bullock's frantic 911 call as she hides from an intruder in her home. . >>> thanks for staying with us, i'm eric bolling in for bill o'reilly and in the personal story segment tonight, two big stories including a new jersey teacher who has been suspended after assigning her 3rd graders to write letters to a convicted cop killer but we begin with the chilling audio of sandra bullock calling police during a break-in to her home last year. it was played in court yesterday at a

some hostages believe at least a discussion of ransom could have made a difference. the pragmatist or of japan will be in washington this week for an historic visit. -- the prime minister of japan will be in washington this week for an historic visit. wednesday, he will be the first japanese leader to address a joint session of congress. he is also scheduled to visit the holocaust memorial and arlington national cemetery. roadwork is starting tomorrow in arlington and could slow down your drive to work. vdot is reducing traffic from three lanes to two in both directions of jefferson davis highway. the project is scheduled to last until 2018. if you regularly drive that route, you may want to look for a different way to go. the national zoo has artificially inseminated may sean -- mei jong. the reproductive team completed the first round of insemination this afternoon. a second round his plan tomorrow. zoo says that her hormones peak to this morning, leaving them 24 hours to complete the procedure. the panda is the mother of bao bao, who was conceived by artificial in

forcing the police to pay a ransom.abc's linsey davis has more. >> reporter: this massachusetts police department forced to pay a ransom. it all started when the tewksbury police received a threatening message like this. >> our information was held hostage. >> reporter: critical files locked, inaccessible and a demand, pay a $500 ransom or kiss critical data good-bye. >> the best option for us, though it was the last and worse option for us was to pay the ransom. >> reporter: this type of cybercrime so rampant it is responsible for crippling more than a million computers, including police departments in illinois tennessee and new hampshire. hackers demanded the city of detroit pay $800,000 but the city refused to pay. >> we're worth money, all of us because we are willing to pay for our computers to come back. >> reporter: abc's rebecca jarvis spoke to a small business owner who paid the ransom after losing company files when an employee clicked on a suspicious e-mail. >> i thought we had backups and were okay. that was

hostages held overseas could soon be able to pay ransoms to win their release. that is according to a new report that could signal a radical change in white house policy. there are some concerns about often intended consequences. doug, good morning. >> reporter: good morning,. this would be a change of approach for the u.s. government where the policy has always been no one should pay a ransom to hostage takers. there are fears that could endanger americans over seas. a special advisory panel to the white house is going to recommend that the administration no longer threaten families of hostages if they attempt to pay ransoms. abc news says the group will say president obama should look the other way if family do make payments. said they were told in no uncertain terms they could be charged. >> we were told that we might be prosecuted. big deal. i would rather be in a prison here than my son being in a prison over there. >> reporter: the no, post reports that his family paid a quarter of a million dollars to win his release without success. and now there are cal

no we don't pay the ransom.m line here is the way you avoid paying ransoms is to kill them before they take hostages. i'm sick and tired eric of people saying there is no military solution. we have never tried a military solution. we have sent our troops whether under bush or obama into theú gá4< battlefield so much fear of any collateral damage that we have never tried a military option. you kill these suckers, that's how you stop the kings. >> leave it right there colonel peters, thank you very much. when we come right back, prosecutors bullock's frantic 911 call as she hides from an intruder in her home. you know, just because your bladder is changing it doesn't mean that you have to. with tena, let yourself go. ♪ ♪ be the one with the crazy laugh. ♪ ♪ and keep being their favorite playmate. ♪ ♪ with tena's unique super-absorbent micro-beads that lock in moisture and odor... tena - lets you be you. the american dream is terrifying. american history is the history of the scary thing being the exact thing we ha

no we don't pay the ransom.tom line here is the way you avoid paying ransoms is to kill them before they take hostages. i'm sick and tired eric of people saying there is no military solution. we have never tried a military solution. we have sent our troops whether under bush or obama into theú gá4< a+bg=[9?qh÷÷lín_8#zñmwj1]ddp Ñ8Ñ5#-uúc battlefield so much ♪9féh9d fear of any collateral damage that we have never tried a military option. you kill these suckers, that's how you stop the kings. >> leave it right there colonel peters, thank you very much. when we come right back, prosecutors releasing sandra bullock's frantic 911 call as she hides from an intruder in her home. we will play that for you when the factor comes right back. my feet felt so heavy at the end of the day. they used to get really tired. until i started gellin'. i got dr. scholl's massaging gel insoles. when they're in my shoes my feet and legs feel less tired. it's like walking on a wave dr. scholl's massaging gel insoles, i'm a believer! at o

government not to pay ransom for hostages. the family of james foley, the journalist who was murdered by isis say that they were told that they would be prosecuted if they attempted themselves to pay a ransom for their son. the administration has denied that. as to the white house changing its policy or explicitly saying that it would allow families to negotiate and pay ransom for their loved ones the white house is deferring to the justice department. >> it's important that that information fbi streamlined so that accurate information is being communicated in a timely fashion to the family of someone who's being held hostage. that's what the focus is of the review. the review is not reconsidering the long-established u.s. policy of not making concessions to terrorist organizations. >> reporter: the reasoning behind that policy says the administration, they don't want to encourage would-be hostage takers and set a bad precedent. >> we understand former president george w. bush speaking at a private event had some criticism of

organizations is to make sure they aren't getting ransom payments and that is policy of the u.s. government and one that this administration has enforced. >> government sources told the journal the fbi did not violate the white house policy because they did not directly authorize the deal. after the captors received the ransom they did not release their hostage warren winestein he was killed in january when a u.s. drone strike hit a compound. his death was announceed earlier this month by president obama. >> resettled there last year, guantanamo inmates. donald schwindler spoke to them, and they said they are not getting the support they need. >> this is not the way it was supposed to be. these men arrived here five months ago. they were released from guantanamo never charged with any crime introduced to a new land. >> that is the reason we are here right now flog has changed in our situation and i think we've had enough. we have been promised a lot of things nothing of these promises has come true. >> reporter: four of the six men have been camped outside the u.s. embassy in mon

very specific circumstances that could soon allow americans to pay ransoms to win a hostages release. >>> plus we are still following the search for survivors after that deadly earthquake in nepal. how facebook is turning out to be an important tool for people here in the bay area. >>> good morning. welcome back to mornings on 2. you're looking live right outside our door. this is the oakland estuary. beautiful, silent, bright early on ormond morning. it's waiting for you. steve paulson has your forecast coming up in a moment or two. welcome to monday it's april 27th i'm dave clark. >> good morning, i'm pam cook. thank you for joining us. it's almost 5:30. check in with steve. a little bit of rain. >> saturday. >> yeah we had a little bit of rain. but that is it. don't see any coming up. >> not for awhile. i do see sunshine and warmer temps. a little bit on the cool side for some. otherwise it's clear, cool, and it won't take long to warm up. 76 today. we will start off with 53 degrees and up she goes own over she goes. high pressure is built in a big way. 40s and 50s. half-moon bay i

it seems crazy. >> i think it would be a mistake to pay a ransom. it tugs at our heartstrings to know what they have done to christians and other muslims. but you have to look at the larger picture of how to eliminate the prospect of groups holding them for ransom to begin with? it is about as crude day forum as you can imagine by putting a price. gerri: what you said to the producer was what we need to do it is crushed ice is not subsidize them to pay for the hostages' release but it is clear they cannot afford to pay that so are they just hoping that the rest of the world will step up? >> sure. they are playing of different emotions a few days ago that action be released some of their prisoners intended as a committee and its -- humanitarian gesture but the clear these people are utterly cynical if they thought that would benefit them they will do that or folding them for ransom would benefit them or be heading them for the social media value they will do that also. they're very existence is a worldwide given their terrorist capabilities and this

one family paying ransom.een warned against that. >> we were told that we might be prosecuted. big deal. i would rather be in prison here than my son being in prison over there. your buddy ron is always full of advice. usually bad. so when ron said you'd never afford a john deere tractor you knew better. the e series. legendary quality. unexpected low price. bill: new reports that president obama was victim of a russian cyberattack. some of the president's personal elves mails personally accessed in an attack last october in an attack against the white house and state department. exchanges between the president and outside of the administration but did not contain any lastfied information. -- classified information. martha: confessed cole shooter james holmes in court today for day one of his murder trial almost three years after that horrific attack. he admits killing 12 people and wounding 70 others inside of that packed movie theater at a midnight showing of the batman movie in july of 2012. holz has pled n

we begin this morning with ransom. the surprising revelation that the family of warren weinstein paid his captors in 2012. weinstein was one of the two hostages killed by mistake in a u.s. drone strike against al qaeda in january. a source in contact with the kidnappers tells cnn his family paid ransom but the terrorists demanded more. they wanted a prisoner exchange. also, new information this morning about the last time the family had so-called proof of life. warren weinstein's wife actually heard his voice over the phone. want to bring in cnn's chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. new details this morning and in some cases new disturbing details. >> reporter: the family making an attempt to win warren weinstein's freedom and questions about whether the money went to the right group. that's a fair question. an interlocator was used and that's raising the question whether they talk to it the right people. you have a couple degrees of separation there. bottom line is it didn't work. whether the money got

they had turned to kidnapping for ransom because they did not want to state these in criminals for ever. what we really wanted to do is complete when the two big jobs and do whatever we felt like in july for the rest of our lives street--for the rest of our lives. >> reporter: will be talking to residents about this coming up at kron 4 news at 6 creek reporting live in vallejo kron 4 news. >> pam: right now firefighters are on the scene of a three-alarm fire. >> reporter: and a loss swift ave. north of the san francisco airport. right behind me there is a storage unit where the fire started at 2:00 this afternoon to it is extending to three-alarm but the third alarm remained the staging and did not make it to the fire. it started inside the stores unit. the score ahead and take a look at the scenery. this is something to it you would see at a mall. this tough call on fire and burned pretty much anything inside with a total loss. you have the three city outside of the building right now. everything in the interior is to strike. there are a lot of firefighters came here on the same trick

government policy that it will not pay ransom or make concessions would not change, in the belief it could lead to the taking of more americans as hostages. but if families want to do it, the government would essentially look the other way. what one person called creative ambiguity. >> brian, thank you so much. >>> next to politics. the clinton family foundation admitting a mistake on its disclosure of donors on tax filings that some government grants were mistakenly combined with other donations. saying yes, we made mistakes but we're acting quickly to remedy them. and working to not make such mistakes in the future. the foundation strictly limiting which countries it will ask to donate after criticism. >>> and now, a military first, women training with the special forces and the army rangers. but while they're trying to earn that title, they're not allowed to serve as rangers. so why are they going through this? here's linzie janis. >> reporter: this may look like your typical army boot camp. >> rangers, hurry up. >> reporter: but look closely and you can see this class includes fe

and, finally the question of ransom. for instance, could have been paid by the american families themselves early on wednesday price of the hostage was reasonable. but at the end when all the europeans have been released the price is so astronomical that only the wealthiest types of family in america could afford to pay that money on their own. and it was just too exotic to believe that could've been accomplished. >> thank you. you raise an incredibly important questions so let me start with so gary you paint a picture of the fbi negotiating you know, as a matter of course having a very high success rate with the groups that were not -- sort of an al-qaeda affiliate pretty major terrorist group who have been around for five decades. so it's not a course they are not isis but they are still very serious people doing very bad things. and then barak, the fbi seems to be stiff arming the families say nothing, nothing that helpful. so what happened, what's shifted and when did it shift? >> i think from 1990 to 2031 around the

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hostages held overseas could soon be able to pay a ransom to win their release. that's according to in a new report that would signal a change. doug luzader is in washington to explain why there are concerns about unintended consequences if this policy changes. good morning, doug. >> reporter: tori, good morning. you have many families who are willing to do anything in some cases, pay any price to try to get their loved ones home. this proposed policy change would give them leeway. >> reporter: a special advisory panel for the white house will recommend that the administration no longer threaten families of hostages if they attempt to pay ransoms. abc news says the group will say that president obama should look the other way if families do make payments. it's an issue that came to a head when the family of american hostage james foley who was killed last summer said they were told in no uncertain stems that they could be charge -- terms that they could be charged. >> we were told we would be prosecuted. i would rather be in a prison here than my son over there.

also prohibits citizens from paying ransoms so those same groups. wednesday, the white house was asked if those policies still hold. >> there are irrelevant law that is apply but our policy only hasn't changed. >> the white house was reacting to a report from the wall street journal claiming the u.s. helped facilitate a ransom payment to al-qaeda in 2012, paid for it family of warren weinstein the american hostage accidentally killed in pakistan by a u.s. drone strike in january. according to the article the f.b.i. vetted a pakistani man used to deliver a ransom appointment of $250,000 to al-qaeda. >> the united states government will not make concessions to terrorists. to do so would only put american citizens at great every risk and would serve to allow terrorist organizations to better finance their on going violence. >> the white house says paying ransom encourages terror group to say kidnap more americans. the wall street journal report said intelligence acquired by the f.b.i. in the wine stein case prompted his family to pay. not only did the

number three, we are not going to pay ransom. and number four if you try to collect money you'll be prosecuted with high likelihood be prosecuted. >> at that point we realized we were on our own but unfortunately it was but two years later. so we said what the heck you know i would rather be in jail here than jimmy over there. so we began to raise money in terms of pledges but we did want to handle the money. it's very difficult to collect money from somebody our ask donations from somebody who might wind up in jail. so we struggled with that, but we had some very fine individual were going to go to battle. >> thanks. david, and as it turns out there's a new public information person at the department of state who is one of us. a guy by the name of douglas frantz was a tremendous investigative reporter at "the new york times," "los angeles times." as it happens i worked with him just after 9/11 but we are both in pakistan. trying to get across the border and doug is he gets it. he's a really good reporter. he was gone over, worki

they cannot raise the $5,000 ransom. >> sometimes i feel like i lost my sanity. you can only imagine how you feel when your child calls you and is threatened with death notice you pay up. it's sad. even if we pay the money, we have no guarantee that my child will survive the journey. >> he said that the smuggleers-- >> i don't call them smugglers. i call them butchers. they don't care about the lives of the migrants. they won't think twice about killing people. i was only released after my mother sold our plot to raise the ransom that they were asking for. >> many of the youth are desperate to migrate. it's little wonder that thousands chance to go on the perilous journey that will take them to reach the boat. >> they have been forced to return several times. he said he'll try to leave again. >> it's quite demeaning if you can't even have one good meal a day. i have no hope. >> the government said it's committed to reducing youth unemployment and will use investments that will keep youth in their homeland. >> soldiers in chile are cleaning up ash after several vo