this is rashi, who lived in franco-germany, and then his students. this particular discussion here, actually, is one about, which tells the stories of the destruction of the second commonwealth in the first century of the common era, and tells - really, i would say its bottom line, or the moral of the story is that the second temple was destroyed only because of vain hatred; that's what the rabbi said, that is hatred that has no real reason except just the fact that people hated each other. now, one of the things we do here at the hartman institute is that we have a beit midrash, which in hebrew means hall of study , in which we have students that join us regardless of gender or regardless of religious affiliation to study talmud together, under the understanding that the talmud is a fundamental canonical text of judaism, and any spiritual and cultural quest within israel today, within judaism today, would be greatly enriched, and deeply entrenched and rooted in tradition would it carry on a dialogue with the talmud itself. in this way, i might say t