. >> jane rask erasken is a terri lawyer.dea how she drew the short straw to make that argument. fundamentally rudy is the biggest problem with the defense here. unquestionably nobody is disputing he was working on behalf of the president personally. personally. there is no dispute about that. and i think that's trump's biggest issue is trying to explain why this personal lawyer and, you know, i'll assume that he's acting as a lawyer and not as a political operative, which is how it seems to me, what is his personal lawyer/political operative doing dealing with u.s. government officials, dealing with ukrainian government officials, what is he doing here at all in. >> ken starr also was part of the president's defense team. i want to play some of what he said yesterday. >> impeachment has now been normalized. it won't be a once in a generation act, but an every administration act. democrats will regret it when republicans are handing out the pens. >> whether the president's actions are in fact grounds for an impeachment or som