caroline ratcliffe?st: there are three main programs, supplemental nutrition assistance program, snap -- host: which is food stamps. guest: that is really the cornerstone of the usda's food program. there is free and reduced school breakfast and lunch, also women infants and children nutrition program. research is from that the programs have been effective in reducing food insecurity. most of the research has been focused on snap, the food stamp program. we have done work at the urban institute finding that dissipating in the food stamp program produces the likelihood of being food insecure by 1/3. from 20%earch puts it to 50%. there is also a work that looks at the amount of benefits. riley, what we are seeing is that the snap program is reducing food insecurity. the same as school breakfast, school lunch, and that wic program for the mother and the children. mark nord, does usda agree? guest: yes, i will talk later about research we did around the recovery act, the stimulus bill. that many other things

you cannot be a sex offender. >> ratcliff who uses another accepted pronunciation of the group's nameed the fact that some members have swastikas tattooed on their body. >> the swastika was around before adolf hitler come around. okay. now i don't hatve nothing againt adolph, but he took something from my religion which was a sun wheel. and made it part of his party. it goes back to ancient civilizations. they had a swastika in persia way before national socialism came along. >> while ratcliff defended it, his comments disturbed murray who let him know how much when he returned to his cell. >> you just made us look like a [ bleep ], [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. >> i fried to tatried to talk a with you. sorry, marcus, i [ bleep ] up, boy. i am sorry. i apologize. try not to get mad hat me, man. >> it's hard not to. you sank my boat. >> later, we told murray reworded hreword reword -- we recorded his conversation with ratcliff. and asked hem to explain it. >> he didn't mean any harm. he was ignorant of the conduction of leadership roles. and i think now that he has seen, you know,ing that that

caroline ratcliffe? guest: i would say that some of these free programs, particularly snap, did come under attack when we think back to the last presidential election. all sorts of talk about snap. as i mentioned, in the farm bill, the house had lots of proposals that would result in deep cuts in that program. social safety our net, tax assistance, that has really not been, it has not picked up slack with the great session. -- the great recession. some of the programs have gotten smaller, snap is now the largest. i think politically it ends up getting more attention. in, is the usage of food subsidy regional? largest usage and per capita usage? here is the map again. we are going to take this call. darker blue are the heart usage sta -- darker blue are the higher usage states. val in minneapolis. caller: i don't think she answer the question properly. reading here in minnesota about how food is being literally taken out of the mouths of children. that leads me to this comment. but first i want to say tha

caroline ratcliffe?guest: there are three main programs, supplemental nutrition assistance program, snap -- host: which is food stamps. guest: that is really the cornerstone of the usda's food program. there is free and reduced school breakfast and lunch, also women infants and children nutrition program. research is from that the programs have been effective in reducing food insecurity. most of the research has been focused on snap, the food stamp program. we have done work at the urban institute finding that dissipating in the food stamp program produces the likelihood of being food insecure by 1/3. from 20%earch puts it to 50%. there is also a work that looks at the amount of benefits. riley, what we are seeing is that the snap program is reducing food insecurity. the same as school breakfast, school lunch, and that wic program for the mother and the children. mark nord, does usda agree? guest: yes, i will talk later about research we did around the recovery act, the stimulus bill. that many other thi