. >> how much did the poll cost the ratepayers of san francisco? >> i cannot answer that. >> i guess the first step is that this came from money given for this program. we've budgeted money years ago to take care of the expenses of lafco and this program. this did not come from ratepayers. the poll cost about $50,000 to do. it did not come from the ratepayers of san francisco. >> it came from where? >> it came from revenue from power sales to the irrigation district and a variety of other customers we have on the power site. >> the people in the best of pay for this? -- modesto paid for this? >> out of the entire budget, you could pick a line item that paid for it. >> i am not sure the right person is to answer this question. maybe miss hale. commissioner torres was just speaking about the participation rates. what would be the participation rate in a 100% clean program -- green program? i would assume if 100% of the people wanted to sign up, we would not be able to provide power at 100% agreement -- green. i am hoping there is room to grow in that

i was wondering -- do we do that here with the puc where we provide the ratepayers with an expenditure of jobs that have been created? because that is taxes coming back into the city, back into the state that we ought to at least at some point delineate to the ratepayers and let them know where and how their moneys are being used effectively to create these employment opportunities, these construction opportunities, and just the contributions that the puc -- i have been here just a short time -- are approving. i think it would be good if we had -- and you may be doing this already. it just brought to mind to me recently working in my office is what we had been doing in terms of an economic impact report of this agency, on federal government, state government, and on local governments. we just built an incredible facility at ucsf. \ mission bay has been the recipient of many of the projects there. we wanted a document so the taxpayers knew exactly where their money was being spent and how well it was being spent. >> assistant general manager for business services. that is a very helpful

that is a lot of money that will be saved by our ratepayers. we also talked about the reclaimed water. all of the sewage will be treated on site, as well as the gray water. that means all of the demand for the low flow toilets and your girls -- urinals will be met, and over 700,000 gallons of water will be saved annually. it will also save an additional 900,000 gallons that we are using at the sustainability district. it is a significant water savings that we need to pursue throughout the city. i also want to thank the mayor for his leadership on this. beginning in his early dpw days. dpw, p u c, department of environment staff, everyone who has worked so hard on this -- i remember, it must have been 12 years now when we were first identifying different pilot projects through the city that could be brain model the. this was one of the building that they identified. -- green modeled. it is so rewarding to see this be realized as one of the greatest buildings in the country. thank you for coming and we look forward to moving in next year. -- gree

what percentage of ratepayers are in the various tiers? >> on a slide 5, you will see the total number of customers within each. i do not have the percentages in front of me. of the top of my head, tier one represents 54%. it is a slight majority of all customers. when we get down to tier 5, it is only 9000 customers of a total of around 200,000. it is only about 5% of the overall total. >> commissioners, and the other questions? this is the beginning of the first piece of the presentation. i will turn it over to the general manager of the public utilities commission. mr. harrington, do you want to add anything? >> i knothink the good news is t we surveyed people two years ago before we knew much about it. we've been anxious to see what people think about it. we're far enough in the design to come up with more detail and get more information. the great news is that there is a good number of people who really want to have a green product. what is really nice for marketing it is that the difference between 40% rps and 100% of everything was

additional information could be obtained about where ratepayers are. depending on what happens with rates going forward, maybe the issue of cost will change so that the question is not framed in terms of if you would be interested even if there is a higher cost involved. taken in the context of pg&e having a monopoly on this market and given the billions of dollars that have been spent, it to the extent you want to make an analogy to a political campaign, i think we're actually in pretty the shape. we are in pretty good shape. i would imagine if you look at where we are today and compare it to where we were in terms of people's perception of the program three years ago, i think a lot of progress has been made in the short amount of time. i do look at it as a glass half full perspective. i think there is an opening for us to grow this program. it is something we have not been able to demonstrate. i think it will be powerful to have a program that is effective and runs well. that will go a long way in building more public support for something like this.

but a it would help our ratepayers reduce their cost, it would help our general fund and p.u.c.'s budget as well. i get that solar may not be the most efficient use of our dollars in terms of creating jobs in green-collar work force. i'm wondering, since this upcoming year in essence the program will be somewhat whole. if we could work on developing programs that would actually route folks into energy efficiency and working with our ratepayers -- >> we'd love to do that. that's such a good use of money and that's a long-term training opportunity also. supervisor kim: great. thank you. supervisor chu: thank you, supervisor kim. supervisor chiu. supervisor chiu: a couple questions to follow-up on involving city college. at the southeast campus you obviously have a lot of activities there related to your department's work. how did you come up with the $228,000 for that lease price? >> i have no idea. historically, the building was really almost taken over by city college. in fact, when we started working with different agencies, they thought city college owned the building and it wa

we have improvements in efficacy and technology and what the results to the ratepayer. i get that. i just wonder if it is worth it? >> i think it is. commissioner torres: we did that with a wave, right? homage to we spend on wave power -- how much do we spend on wave power? >> as we look at alternative water sources, we have to look at them all. we will have had to exhaust conservation, recycling, raw water usage, desalination, all of those things. they will be thoroughly explored. commissioner torres: and what do you say to the ratepayers to see the tremendous snowpack in the sierras? >> i say that is good for this year, in july 1st, it is the same old mill. we're hoping next year will be a good one. commissioner caen: i think we should contribute to the study. this came up 10 years ago. we were looking into buying water, were we not? so, this idea of reverse osmosis came of the. i do not think we should put our head in the sand. commissioner torres: you mean the salt. [laughter] commissioner caen: i think we've should continue on. >> 15 years ago, the major water systems and the

what percentage of ratepayers are in the various tiers? >> on a slide 5, you will see the total number of customers within each. i do not have the percentages in front of me. of the top of my head, tier one represents 54%. it is a slight majority of all customers. when we get down to tier 5, it is only 9000 customers of a total of around 200,000. it is only about 5% of the overall total.

we have taxed the daylights out of the ratepayers, and how much is the fund we taxing to the ratepayers? >> the current balance is about $25 billion. >> how much have we spent on that? >> almost 10 million. just to clarify we spend about ten plus another 25 sitting there. >> so we've got a gigantic coal in the ground. now, of -- tommy, there's a lawsuit going on on this matter is they're not? >> there is. >> and the federal government is being sued because of the diversity and the treaty in that lawsuit is never progressed to the point where it is going to lead to a judgment, is that right? >> there were some oral arguments taken in march of this year. the basic just to those arguments was whether there was a final action of the government, whether the nrc was going to rule so the was the gist of the oral argument. we haven't heard anything since. >> you stated the the officials stated they had frequent meetings and focus groups to help guide the shutdown. can you tell me what that means? >> we had a hard time knowing what that means, so we asked -- >> i think we know what it means but

we owe it to the ratepayers to make sure that our public investments are made efficiently and a sound way for the budget. congratulations. i am excited about the track record of the puc on hiring locally in san francisco. for this project alone, we have 60.5% of the residents who are around the area working on this project. we have 6.5% -- it is 27.5%, sorry, much better. 27.5% of the workers are local residents. that is above what our current mandate is for the local hire ordinance that we passed last year at the board of supervisors. i wanted to congratulate you on that effort. 54.5% are from the bay area. 60.5% of the workers are apprenticeships workers, new workers, who are getting new jobs into this industry. the project helps to make that happen. congratulations on that. we are hiring carpenters, cement workers, and landscape professionals. we know we are providing employment opportunities for this project. i look at this as providing so many benefits to san francisco. we're providing reliable water. we are making our water system safe. we are also improving the process for many

we realized there were a lot of people who were if ratepayers, and we wanted to make sure we were going to do is expand for those who made contributions with their tax dollars. this was signed in last friday. i had two meetings prior to the mayor meeting, so this really recognizes how flexible the legislation was and how it is something that will work for all of our region. that is my item for introduction. >> i wanted to congratulate supervisor of the los -- supervisor avalos for working on the. next week i will be introducing and now in memoriam for one of our chinese heroes who passed away. she was an amazing woman who just passed away, and she had a legacy of fighting for women and a history of supporting all kinds of struggles from china to chinatown and in san francisco and the bay area. the rest i am submitting as well. supervisor campos: ideas have not -- supervisor chu: i just have two things i want to bring up. about a high-speed rail, and i would like to close with in memoriam. he departed on may 28, memorial day weekend. he was born in louisiana, the eldest of four. he becam

how often will a ratepayer both to a different -- move to a different tier. if someone is in tier 2, how many are they willing to go up before they would opt out? >> let me answer the question of the movement among tiers. i will return to end to the question to indicate if there is a willingness to stay. today, with nothing available, many customers and all customer consumption his bill and their consumption and the number of kilowatt hours is what determines what tier they are in. come -- customers can move amongst the tiers month to month. they discovered that they have moved into a higher rate half a they have been killed. it is an after the fact awareness. handoff to the second part of your question, the degree to which customers might decide to opt out, and survey can't really speak to that because we asked people about their rate impact at their current level of usage. we did ask about a number of different grade levels that allows us to model some of the curve of the price sensitivity. we might be able to make ruckuses him if they were to go to another