and ratzinger approved it. it was his first offense. he gave him therapy. that was the drill of the day. they treated these things as a malady and the psychiatrist could fix it. now the "new york times" comes out today and says we have more news. what's the news? the news is that maybe he knew he was transferred after that. well, i don't expect that ratzinger would have approved therapy and then expected the guy to go to prison. he expected him obviously to be reinstated. i don't know what the news is. >> william, the news, i think, for many people when you read this is that it was possible this pope was aware of a man who molested, admitted to molesting 200 boys, that there were other incidents that may have been available -- that was the wisconsin case. >> does the pope bear any responsibility? >> in the wisconsin case, again, the families never said anything to the cops until the mid '70s when it started in the 1950s. >> some people might interpret you're blaming the families. >> i want to blame the families. if that was my kid molested by a priest or a

at the time, ratzinger was archbishop of munich. he later directed a vatican office that dealt with sex allegations. a spokesman for the vatican said today the pope "had no knowledge" of the decision to return the german priest to a parish. the latest news report comes on the heels of another "times" story that said the vatican and then-cardinal ratzinger knew about a u.s. priest accused of sexually abusing up to 200 deaf boys at a milwaukee school from the 1950s to the 1970s. the priest was not defrocked, and died in 1998. jeff anderson is the attorney representing the victims. >> all trails involving the cover-up and the concealment of sexual abuse by catholic clerics lead to rome and the pope. >> woodruff: public reaction in rome is mixed. >> ( translated ): if everybody knew about it, probably the pope knew about it, too. >> ( translated ): having read the "new york times" article, this is the umpteenth attempt to unjustly sully the name of the pope. >> woodruff: last weekend, the pope issued a letter of apology to victims of se

his former archdiocese has said the pontiff, then known as cardinal joseph ratzinger, was involved in a 1980 decision to move a priest accused of sex abuse into therapy. the same priest, peter hullerman, returned to the clergy and was later convicted of abuse in german court in 1986. even after that episode, he returned to a clerical role suspended again this past monday after new reports surfaced that he was back working with children. the vatican has forcefully denied that benedict had any role in handling the hullerman incident. >> ( translated ): the pope, then archbishop, had absolutely no part in the decisions that led to the placing of this priest in a pastoral position. therefore, there is no reason to accuse him. the pope is a person whose >> reporter: benedict discussed the widening scandal last week with german archbishop robert zollitsch. the archbishop said the pope >> ( translated ): the holy father has received my report with vigilance, great dismay and great distress and we had a very deep conversation about this. we want to unveil the truth and we want an honest clear

cardinal ratzinger didn't reply. weekland wrote back to his deputy.e scandal in the near future seemed very possible. the case was briefly reopened until reverend murphy wrote to ratzinger pleading for mercy. i'm in poor health, i have repented of any of my past transgressions. ratzinger order the case be dropped and murphy died later that year. the official newspaper called the story a clear and despicable attempt to strike at this pope at any cost. stephanie gosk, nbc news, london. >>> the vatican was asking the diocese to interview the alleged victims in that wisconsin case. >>> police are investigating a horrific accident involving a tractor trailer where 11 people were killed. police say the truck crossed the median on interstate 65 near louisville, kentucky, and hit a passenger van head on. the truck then hit a rock wall and burst into flames. ten people inside the van died as well as the driver of the truck. the van belonged to a mennonite church and was carrying a family to a wedding in iowa. police say two children in the van survived. >>> ne

. >> questions that began two decades ago when the pope was known as cardinal ratzinger.as called into allegations of abuse by a priest. >> he walked every bishop in the world, telling them every case of a priest who abused a child was to be referred to his department. >> they are defending the pope, praising his work after he took control of abuse cases. according to one of the vatican's top prosecutors, the cardinal showed great wisdom and firmness in dealing with the cases and he said he showed great courage dealing with the most difficult. therefore he said to accuse the pope of a cover up is false. the pressure just keeps mounting. newly released details are raising questions about the pontiff's judgment even before he came to rome, overseeing cases of abuse. in 1980 when the pope was a bishop in germany, he oversaw the case of a priest involved in child abuse. the pope moved the priest from one diocese to another. his own. so that the priest could get therapy. several years later, the priest was convicted. the critics said he should pay more attention at the time an

we assume that ratzinger read that memo. this raises all kinds of questions about the future pope's actions, his judgment, his leadership, why didn't he seek prosecution against that priest who by the way, eventually in 1986 was in a civil case convicted of sexual abuse of at least dozens of mostly young al tarl boys in germany. so yes, it is tightening around the pope, it would seem. of course, the vatican at the same time, chuck is, defending the pope saying this is all a big smear campaign by the press that's out to get him. >> jim maceda for us in london on the story that has been years in the making and not going away for the catholic church. one quick news headline we need to share this morning. president obama is going to be calling up the russian president medvedev and they're going to agree to a new start nuclear disarmament treaty to bring down the nuclear weapons arsenals to record low levels. >> they're going to have a briefing this morning. hillary clinton, admiral mullen among others. >> and gates, as well. thi

he went to a psychiatrist in munich and cardinal ratzinger, then cardinal joesph ratzinger, signed off on that transfer. subsequently, the vatican says, and the archdiocese of munich says, a lower level official in munich sent that abusive priest, father peter hullermann, to a parish in munich where he subsequently abused other children and was eventually convicted of a crime. so the question now is really what did benedict know and when did he know it. did he sign off on this priest going to this other parish or did he not? >> abernethy: now, it's being said, but-- at the vatican-- that those times were different, the rules may have been different and in any event what happened or didn't happen is being blown way out of proportion. what do you think? >> well, there is that claim, they're saying, "look, this is just wildly exaggerated, benedict did not know about the reassignment of that priest." others would say, "well, if it wasn't a sin of commission, it was a sin of omission that as the archbishop of munich assigning priests and especially keeping track of an abuser is one of his m

yesterday the "times" revealed in 1998, top vatican officials including then cardinal ratzinger did notefrock a wisconsin priest who admitted to molesting as many as 200 deaf boys. nbc live from the london bureau. jim, let's start off with the vatican's response to these allegations. >> hi, tamron. not surprisingly the vatican is defending the pope's actions. in a full page editorial in the vatican's own newspaper in rome, it quite quickly and directly responded to the "new york times" story, the one you referred to, that suggests benedict turned a blind eye to child sex abuse charges in wisconsin. the vatican calling it an evident and ig noble intent to hurt benedict and his closest advisers at any cost. meanwhile the archdiocese in munich, referring to the german story of potentially pedophilia is talking tough. they issued a statement saying the latest "new york times" article about the german priest offers nothing new in the case and suggested that archbishop ratzinger or anyone who does suggest archbishop ratzinger was reinstating the accused pedophile priest is simply and purely s

the pope was known as cardinal joseph ratzinger.vestigated of abuses by priest. >> he wrote a letter that said every case was to be referred to his department p. >> reporter: vatican officials are praising his investigative work after he took control of abuse cases. according to one of the vatican's top prosecutors who's also a priest he showed great wisdom and firmness in dealing with these cases and he said he showed great courage dealing with the most difficult aun thorniest of them. and tlfrs, herefore, he said, t accuse the pope of a cover-up is false. but the pressure just keeps mounting. newly released details of abuse in germany are raising questions about the pontiff's judgment, even before he came to rome overseeing cases of abuse. he oversaw a case of a priest involved in child abuse. the pope moved the priest from one diocese to another, his own, so that the priest could get therapy. several years later, the priest was convicted of child abuse. the pope's critics say he should have paid more attention at the time, and ta

the church is fighting back, rejecting the "times" article as pure speculation saying cardinal ratzinger no knowledge of the german priest's reassignment and his deputy made the staffing decision, taking full responsibility for the erroneous decision. that's little comfort for some 300 german victims whose story of clerical abuse that have come out since january. 40 years later this man is still shaken when asked to describe life in his catholic boarding school in bavaria, pope benedict's home region. "the priest really abused children, sometimes every night in the dormitory." with every new case, the crisis grows, adding more cracks to the church's and the pope's credibility. some vatican insiders say only total transparency will work. >> it will be really, really hard to take, cold turkey, total medicine, do it now, get it out of the way. >> reporter: even if it means replacing bishops with a new generation of leaders. >> whether that means reassigning bishops or priests, asking for resignations or publically rebuking individuals, the bar here is that the church has to restore credibil

you said that cardinal ratzinger, now pope benedict, was the point man in the vatican for 25 years on this issue. that's not really true. he didn't become the point man until 2001 when john paul ii assigned him the responsibility. that's not to excuse him but it is to say that it's not the case that every one of these allegations that arose for 25 years somehow ended up on his desk. >> that's a very important point to make there. also interesting to hear you say, he has to come out as pope and of course say certain things and apologize. he might need to say something more on a personal level and take some personal responsibility as well. we'll see how it plays out. john allen, always good to have you here to give us a boost here on cnn saturday morning. john, good to see you, buddy. thanks so much. >> you bet, t.j. >> he gets more than just a little bit of credit for showing up by the way. >> of course he does. >>> you know what? as always sun and showers this weekend so it just depends on where you are, right? so reynolds wolf is going to be ahead with the forecast. >> also, health r

cardinal ratzinger didn't reply. he wrote back to ratzinger's deputy. "true scandal in the near future seems very possible." the case was briefly re-opened until reverend murphy wrote to ratzinger pleading for mercy. i am in poor health. i have repented of any of my past transgressions. ratzinger ordered the case be dropped. murphy died later that year. on the wisconsin case, the vatican hit back hard. the official newspaper called the story a clear and despicable attempt to strike at this pope at any cost. ann? >> stephanie gosk, thank you so much this morning. >>> we want to get a check of the rest of the morning's top stories from natalie morales in for ann at the news desk. >>> good morning, everyone. today at the white house more help for the millions of homeowners who owe more than their homes are worth to try to stem the foreclosure crisis. nbc's chief white house correspondent chuck todd joins us now. chuck, what's in this new plan? >> well, this new plan is directly aimed at those folks who are unemployed. it is sort of a temporary program the

cardinal ratzinger was installed as hope.e was formally the archbishop of munich and for years the vatican's top enforcer of doctrine and oversaw the alleged abuse by priests. because of his elevation to pope in 2005, a judge rules he cannot be named in a texas lawsuit, because of prior association of a chief enforcer of covering up the molestation of boys by a seminarian. and in april of 2008, he says he is deeply ashamed of the sex scandal and pledges to, i quote, not let pedophiles become priests. and then in ireland, four bishops are accused of turning a blind eye to abuse. and now flash forward to this month, march 12th, the pope is linked to the scandal in germany, and it is alleged he allowed a transfer of a priest to get therapy, but he later abused more children. and the vatican says that absolves the pope, but the pope has not addressed what he did or did not do. now, we go to march 20th, the pope writes a pastoral letter apologizing to the irish victims of pedophile priests. two days ago, march 24th, the pope is ac

a report at "the new york times" says the pope, when he was cardinal ratzinger, received a memo describingriest returning to pastoral work within days for receiving treatment for pedophilia. john allen says the church faces a huge challenge. >> reporter: this story for the pope is sort of like a nightmare from which he can't wake up. the vatican is trying to put some distance between this case and then cardinal ratzinger, now pope benedict saying, even though this priest came into the future pope's dioceses and went on to another parish where he was accused of abusing other people and was convicted in 1986, the pope wasn't informed, that he wasn't plugged into what was going on and the suggestion being it's not his fault. the question is, is that enough? the plain answer is no. in some ways the question of what did the pope know is a red herring. the point is, it happened on his watch in the arch dioceses of munich at that time. >> the church is facing questions about its handling of abuse cases in ireland, the uk and other countries. >>> coming up next, it happened so fast. to finish what

in 1998, top vatican officials including then cardinal r ratzinger did not defrock a priest even thoughmolesting boys. >> the vatican is being pretty aggressive, depending the pope's actions. in a full page editorial today, it quickly responded to one of "the new york times" stories that the pope turned a blind eye in wisconsin and the united states. the vatican calling it a noble intent to hurt benedict and his closest advisers at any cost. the arch decisis in munich issued a statement saying the article offers nothing new in the case and goes on to say that suggesting that then arch bishop ratzinger knew anything about the priest is, i quote, mere speculati speculation. >>> a $600 gps, weather balloon and duct tape yield this. wow. similar images from space that would rival anything from a multi-million dollar space program. robert harrison from england rigged the contraption together. his plan was to have the balloon go into the atmosphere and take pictures. he said he was amazed it even worked. >> i was astounded when i saw the pictures. they speak for themselves. to get images like

i mean, every family event, "this is reverend ratzinger and, you know, the pope." [ laughter ] i waseading that bob barker just donated $2.5 million to help peta open new offices in los angeles. and this is pretty annoying. the guy next to him is offering $2.5 million and 1. [ laughter and applause ] feel good about that one. lower? higher? lower? check this out, a horse and carriage driver in central park was suspended for 30 days for drinking on the job. [ light laughter ] the guy didn't do himself any favors when the cop pulled him over and he tried to switch places with the horse. [ laughter and applause ] "just get in there. just be cool, be cool." [ laughter ] yesterday, a newspaper in belgium released a 3d paper ong with special 3d glasses to read it. yeah, the first headline printed said, "breaking news, you look like a jackass." [ laughter ] this is cool, here in new york, life-size statues will be placed on rooftops as a part of a public art installation. it's good to know just so i don't spend 30 minutes yelling, "don't do it," at a chunk of iron. [ laughter ] "it's not wo

the pope at the time was known as archbishop joseph ratzinger and according to "the new york times," he was copied on a memo detailing the priest's reassignment, which implicitly would include the details of the reason for the reassignment. this follows an earlier report, which says that back in the '90s, ratzinger, now the pope, refused to defrock a priest, now accu accused of molesting 200 deaf boys in the state of wisconsin. absorb that. the vatican says there is no cover-up. meanwhile, author christopher hitchens says that the pope ought be arrested. here to mix it up on our panel, political blogger for the loop 21, along with political editor for the "washington examiner." kelly, you made a comparison in a posting you put up on the huffington "post" today. paralleling the pope being a ceo of a company. >> i made the point if a ceo of a major company that had distributed products that injured thousands of children and it was discovered there was a memo that he admitted he knew the information and turned a blind eye. would that ceo be able to keep his job? and the answer is no at

according to one of the vatican's top prosecutors who is also a priest, cardinal ratzinger showed greatisdom and firmness in dealing with these cases and he said he showed great courage dealing with the most difficult and thorniest of them, and therefore he said to accuse the pope of a cover up is false. but the pressure just keeps mounting. newly released details of abuse in germany are raising questions about the pontiff's judgment, even before he came to rome overseeing cases of abuse. in 1980 when the pope was still a bishop in germany, he oversaw the case of a priest involved in child abuse. the pope moved the priest from one diocese to another, his own, so that the priest could get therapy. several years later the priest was convicted of child abuse. the pope's critics say he should have paid more attention at the time and taken child abuse more seriously. in germany over the past few months several hundred allegations of abuse have been made, new cases are surfacing in holland, spain, switzerland and brazil, but nowhere is the pressure on the pope and the church greater than in i

the accusation is that then cardinal ratzinger failed to intervene when he should have in preventing this guy from committing other acts of abuse. and, yes, there is deep concern in the vatican that that lays the problem in some ways directly on the pope's doorstep. i mean, that is that it's not just about the overall policies of the church, but it's about the judgment of the pope when he was a bishop 30 years ago, and i think further the fear is that this may not be an isolated case. right now, t.j., there's an army of journalists and victims advocates combing through the records 30 years ago when the pope was in munich trying to see if there were other such instances, and if they come to light, that ultimately could call into question the pope's moral authority to be able to lead the church out of this mess. i think that's the real fear. >> john allen, we appreciate having you and your expertise. thanks so much. we'll talk to you again soon. >>> it is first day of spring we're told, but oklahoma is declaring a state of emergency because of a snowstorm that's coming in. >> and then,

previously, the church had said the that then-cardinal ratzinger was not directly involved in the case. but now it is claimed he was copied on a crucial memo and chaired a meeting about it. the deeper this scandal gets, the more the pope becomes implicated, the more the institutions of the catholic church have rallied to his defense. but many catholics-- and not just the victims-- have been demanding more than apologies and remorse. they've been demanding answers. >> if he can even admit to someone who gets to the pay papal thrown has had trouble dealing with this and maybe has made mistakes, my goodness, it would just break open a whole new way of look and thinking about this crisis, about the church and the papacy. >> reporter: some have even suggested this crisis could undermine this papacy. but popes aren't forced from office and they don't resign. there's a saying in the church "only god can fire a pope." >> people who were expecting the pope to be signing up far job at mcdonald's next week might as well themselves not withdraw their applications for those jobs. >> reporter: once

morning's "new york times" reports that among those officials were the future pope when he was cardinal ratzinger. the paper says this involves a wisconsin priest accused of molesting more than 200 deaf boys. new documents show repeated warnings about the priest, the vatican did nothing because of possible embarrassment to the church. this follows the resignation of irish bishop john mcgee, a former papal aide. he failed to follow his own rules of reporting pedophile priests to police. >>> the balloon boy father is back home after his stint in jail. he will serve the rest of his sentence under house detention. last october, heene told authorities his 6-year-old son drifted off in a homemade balloon. but after a frantic effort to save the boy, it turned out heene and his wife knew the boy was in their home all along. >>> a day after a spring storm buried colorado, nine inches of heavy, wet snow fell in denver. and some suburbs saw up to two feet. the storm knocked out power to thousands and forced schools to close. and airline delays and cancellations left thousands of passengers scrambling. >>> a

a priest who was accused of abusing boys during the time when the pope was cardinal ratzinger of munichng up, new research tonight on osteoporosis drugs and the risk of fracture after long-term use. and the risk of fracture after long-term use. dr. richard besser is back. new total effects body wash fights 7 signs of body aging, increasing elasticity, locking in moisture and more. new olay total effects body wash. total anti-aging for your body from olay. bad cholesterol but your good cholesterol and triglycerides are still out of line? then you may not be seeing the whole picture. ask your doctor about trilipix. if you're at high risk of heart disease and taking a statin to lower bad cholesterol, along with diet, adding trilipix can lower fatty triglycerides and raise good cholesterol to help improve all three cholesterol numbers. trilipix has not been shown to prevent heart attacks or stroke more than a statin alone. trilipix is not for everyone, including people with liver, gallbladder, or severe kidney disease, or nursing women. tell your doctor about all the medicines you take and

monday senior george ratzinger here on the left is benedict's older brother and for 30 years led thes choir in which the alleged abuses took place. he admits boys were disciplined and slapped, but not, he says, sexually abused. but benedict himself is now under the microscope. in one abuse case in the 1980s, the accused priest was reassigned to the munich archdiocese when the current pope was archbishop there. pope benedict has promised truth without excuses. it will take more than repentance to snuff out the abuse scandal, the victims say. it will take justice. mark phillips, cbs news, london. >>> and this is homecoming day for a couple of veteran spacemen. after nearly half a year in orbit, american jeff williams and russian maxim suraev boarded a capsule at the international space station this morning and undocked for the ride back home to earth. they land later this morning. i wonder what they'll eat first, a burger or something, right? >>> this morning on "the early show," how to avoid an audit by the irs. i'm michelle gielan and this is the "cbs morning news." this season, ther

monsignor georg ratzinger here on the left is benedict's older brother and for 30 years led the famous regensburger boys quire choir in which alleged abuses took place. he admits boys were disciplined and slapped but not, he says, sexually abused. but pen detective himself is now under the microscope. in one abuse case in the 1980s, the accused priest was reassign to the munich archdiocese when the current pope was archbishop there. pope benedict has promised truth without excuses. the irish victims aren't satisfied with letters of apology. >> i don't think a pastoral letter is the proper context in which to respond to a report about the coverup of the rape of children. >> reporter: it will take more than repentance to you have? out the abuse scandal, the victims say, it will take justice. mark phillips, cbs news, london. >> couric: and coming up next here on the "cbs evening news," we take you back to a city hit harder than most by the recession to see how the people are faring there a year and a half later. [ female announcer ] sometimes you need tomorrow to finish what you started t

before these cases were sent to another office in the vatican, not carnal ratzinger's office. nevertheless, once of the cardinal knew or was presented with a case of a solicitation in a confessional and he did not respond haven't laid to the letters of an archbishop in the united states, that is pretty damning. his deputy, who is now cardinal and secretary of state, the number two official in the vatican, he did respond and he pretty much sandbag the investigation that was going on. now you have not only the pope but also his right hand man here in the vatican today implicated in some way in these cases. >> there is a lot of anger, as we saw in that report. how should the vatican now respond to reassure its followers? >> i think there is a lot of anger because the sex abuse cases have become somewhat of a lightning rod for a lot of pent up and her that has been around and the church certainly for the last couple of decades. i think on the part of some, rightly or wrongly, the kind of suspicion or feeling that bishops in the church have kind of not listened to the people in the

but later when ratzinger received a personal letter from murphy, that trial was shut down. a statement from the vatican this morning said the future pope only learned about the case decades after the abuse. and his office hazarded the situation, by restricting father murphy's ministry. and that he accept the full responsibility for the gravity of his acts. murphy died in 1998. and he was still a priest. >> still a priest at that time. those documents, people will have to take a close look at that. i don't have to tell you what's going on in europe right n with the pope. a big scandal in ireland and in other countries. >> and in germany, as well. there's questions how he handled allegations of sexual abuse when he was archbishop in germany. the timing is tricky for the vatican and this pope. >> how about the stories we're hearing from the alleged victims in wisconsin? >> one in particular stands out of a boy, he is now a man. at the time, he talks about the horror of his abuse. and how the horror was made exponentially worst because he couldn't communicate with his parents b

recently-obtained church and vatican records n 1996, two wisconsin bishops urged the cardinal office owned by ratzinger to let them conduct a church trial against murphy. the vatican ordered the process halted saying that the allegedaks happened too long ago. >> they didn't find out about it until 1996. what kind of justice can we give the poor people molested by this monster of a priest? >> reporter: the allegations follow recent lawsuits that say the archbishop in milwaukee failed to take sufficie action against the priest. >> it shows documentary and evidentiarywise all rolled and ultimate responsibility for the scandal and the coverup leading to rome. >> reporter: the vatican issued a strong defense of the handling of the murphy case saying there was no coverup and they'reaying this is an attempt to stri at pope benedict xvi at any cost. mary ann rapheerty, fox news. >>> shocking new statistics about the rates of hiv in the district. and you have to hear what group is being infectedt five times the city rate. >>> and find out how this dog managed to track down a missing woman two days after the tra

newly revealed documents show murphy was spared punishment by the office of then cardinal joseph ratzinger is now the pope. instead, murphy was ordered to repent and was moved to a new parish. later yesterday a top papal aide denounced the report as part of a conspiracy against the church calling it a clear intention to smear pope benedict at any cost. alleged victims are speaking out. this woman says her father, arthur, was 12 when the abuse began. >> i believe somebody should be punished for this. his innocence was stolen from him. his childhood -- he was very depressed, not happy. he couldn't enjoy his childhood. everything was stolen from him. now he's 61 years old and he's still fighting for this. >> we're joined on the phone by barbara doris, outreach director of those abused by priests. what is it you would like the vatican to do? >> we feel they need to accept responsibility for what was done, and they have a chance to begin to right the wrongs. they could establish an international registry of priests who have been accused of molesting children. turn over to local law enforcement

priest in wisconsin, bishops brought this to the attention of pope benedict when he was a cardinal ratzingeror this sort of stuff and the allegation being that he either looked the other way or he didn't take any action. >> right. there is sort of a culture of looking the other way which we all knew about at least since 2002. these allegations in europe are really heinous. and, clearly, the culture of looking the other way has been pervasive for a really long time, so it's not that surprising that benedict is part of that culture. >> lisa miller, the society of religion editor for "newsweek", thanks for joining us today. >> thanks. >>> we are still waiting for sarah palin and john mccain to appear at a rally for the arizona senator. we will bring that to you live as soon as they appear on the stage. in the meantime, it is now time for the fastest three minutes in news. we are going "down to the wire" today with the space shuttle, free cash, and slovakian frogs. ready? hit the clock. while this doesn't look good for nasa in the midst of top economic times a newly released report shows the spa

newly revealed documents show murray was spared formal punishment by the office of cardinal ratzinger now the pope. rather than punish murphy, he was ordered to repent. >>> "the new york times" is reporting governor david paterson personally helped draft a statement last month. according to the report, paterson told his press secretary the report should suggest the breakup was friendly. he wanted the woman to say the charges related to the alter indication was dropped. the report claims the woman refused to go along and that paterson was disappointed she would not endorse his statement. >>> and there are some new amazing images of earth, but they're not from nasa. instead, they were shot by an english space enthusiast who rigged up a simple $100 digital camera with duct tape and sent it up in a balloon. it's a far cry from photos taken by nasa, which cost about $400 million when taken by the space shuttle. wow. >> i want to talk to pat about that pope story, after sports here. >> horrible. just ridiculous. >> a tragic story. i want to know what that means for the pope. >> and the cath