once again, central to the investigation was cardinal ratzinger. the priest was [unintelligible] his influence covered the world. >> he raised billions of dollars, created a network of schools and a religious movement that spread to four comments. he was a notorious child molester, morphine addict and use money to secure power. >> jason berry has been investigating him for 25 years. he said the vatican had complaints stretching back to the 1950's. the failure to act left the victims of protected. he also had secret relationships with various women and children were born. >> i have interviewed pedophiles in prison, a great many of abuse survivors. i don't think any of those priests even comes close to him in terms of raw evil. it is almost mind-boggling what he did. >> he was born in 1920 into a prominent catholic family. family connections secured his organization -- secured his ordination. he founded the legion of christ, a movement that claims a presence in 23 countries. at one point the vatican and suspended him amid allegations he abused semina

his lawsuit is the first to ever specifically name joseph ratzinger and now pope benedict.n unanimous named only as john doe 16. >> yeah i was confused. i said why? he was a priest. i was trying to figure out what -- i can't believe a priest would do that. >> reporter: the priest is believed to have picked out victims who were especially vulnerable or had been through tragedy already in their young lives. >> translator: my brother was electrocuted, died when i was 10. and when i was 11, my father hung himself. and at 12, my favorite dog died and it tore me up and i saw father murphy and i thought that he could be a second father. >> tell me why, terry, you have decided to file suit? what do you want to see happen? >> translator: i want to see the vatican because i have been waiting for all these years for them to excommunicate, defrock father murphy, but they haven't. >> gary tuchman joins me now with more on his documentary. garry, what did cardinal ratzinger do about father murphy? was he allowed to die still a priest? >> the bishop of milwaukee at the time wrote letters

ratzinger's answer? no. it cannot be admitted in as much as it reflects to father campbell himself.dibly what cardinal ratzinger was saying was that he could not agree to defrock a priest, even a child molester, without that priest's permission. monsignor charles chicuna, the vatican's prosecutor worked with the pope for years on sex abuse cases. when he sat down with me at the vatican, it was his first-ever television interview on the pope's record. monsignor, do you see though how it sounds so ridiculous under a canon law unless he requests it, we can't defrock him. >> it would sound ridiculous if you forget the next paragraph which says there is a way of reducing him and it is by church trial. >> reporter: ratzinger's letter says the bishop can avoid responsibility for keeping campbell by putting him through a church trial. but again, that would take years. and campbell had already been convicted in a criminal trial. he admits the process needed changing. >> i think that these cases certainly thought cardinal ratzinger, his collaborators, that something needed to be done. and som

ratzinger's answer to defrocking the priest was no. >> incredibly, what cardinal ratzinger was sayinguld not agree to defrock a priest, even a convicted child molester without that priest's permission. the monseigneur, the vatican's prosecutor worked with the pope for years on sex abuse cases. when he sat down with me at the vatican, it was his first ever television review on the pope's record. >> do you see how it sounds so ridiculous, unless he requests it we can't defrock him? >> it would sound roidiculous i you forget the next paragraph that says, there is a way of reducing him by church trial. >> reporter: ratzinger's letter does say the bishop can avoid responsibility by putting him thigh a church trial. he had already been convicted in a criminal trial. the process needs changing. >> i think these cases certainly thought ratzinger and his collaborators that something needed to be done, and something has been done today cannon law has a different scenario. this would not happen under today's cannon law. and that is also the marriage of cardinal ratzinger, who is pope benedict xv

what they got back from cardinal ratzinger is delays.not doing anything and sometimes for years. priests who in some case were in jail and didn't want to be priests anymore but nothing was done out of the vatican or very little done or delayed and now we have talked to these victims in our documentary that didn't know they were molested as children. miserable lives an just found out when we told them that we saw the documents that the chief people in the vatican knew all about this. >> what was the motivation of the cardinal not to defrock molesting priests? >> critics say is that cardinal ratzinger and other top officials in the vatican were more concerned about the reputation of the church than the children of the church. what we're being told by the vatican, this is very important. we would not have done the documentary unless we got an interview with a pope's top people and we did. he's now with the con agree inauguration for the doctrine of the faith and chief prosecutor and says we are not asking for excuses. things were not handle

ratzinger's answer, no. cannot be admitted inasmuch as it lacks the request of father campbell itself which is called for by the current norms. incredibly, what cardinal ratzinger was saying was he could not agree to defrock a priest, even a convicted child molester, without that priest's permission. monsignor charles chacuna, the vatican prosecutor worked for years. when he sat with me at the vatican it was his first ever television interview on the pope's record. do you see how it sounds ridiculous under the canon law unless he requests it we can't defrock him? >> it would sound ridiculous if you forget the next paragraph that says there is a way of reducing him to the lay state and it is by church trial. >> reporter: ratzinger's letter says the bishop can avoid responsibility for keeping campbell by putting him through a church trial but again that would take years and campbell had already been convicted in a criminal trial. he admits the process needed changing. >> i think these cases certainly cardinal

in some cases, these priests were in jail and they were asking ratzinger, please.d write back, give us more information and would delay and delay. what the church is telling us now, we have an exclusive interview now with one of the top aides in vatican city, is that local decisions could have been made by the bishops to get rid of these priests, if that was the case, why were they desperately writing back and forth and we have those letters. one more. if the church is saying local petitions could have been made, why was he firing priests who differed with the vatican about religious doctrine. he would not do anything about priests he knew were molesters. >> amazing information you have been able gary, to uncover here. i know we'll hear a lot more about it, but we appreciate you hopping on the phone and sharing the story. sad to even cover, but you can find out exactly what card that will ratzinger, what pope benedict knew and did about father murphy. you can tune into a special documentary, what the pope knew, september 25th and 26th. and you can see that only rig

and to the question of what pope benedict, then cardinal ratzinger, knew about it all.erry kohut has never spoken publicly about the horrors he endured at st. john's until now. what did he do to you? >> translator: and then it was after i went into his office, the door was closed. and father murphy said, "take your pants down." >> reporter: father lawrence murphy was the headmaster and priest at st. john's for more than two decades. he was a charismatic fund-raiser, respected church leader, but father murphy has also been identified by dozens of deaf men who say he raped and sexually abus ll lly abused the. father murphy's abuse could come to the attention of cardinal ratzinger, but his handling of the case would stun murphy's victims. >> i think what the murphy case shows is the deference that cardinal ratzinger and pope benedict would always give to the priest. >> what actually happens in court -- >> reporter: today terry kohut is suing the vatican for what father murphy did to him the st. john's. his lawsuit is the first to ever specifically name joseph ratzinger, no

what cardinal ratzinger feared most. they're just going to go their own way, believe what they want to believe. in the end, that could be the worst scenario ever. that's the nightmare for joseph ratzinger. and to a degree because of his track record that could come true. >>> tonight, jimmy cart, the former president opens his white house diary. >> on the inaugural platform, my feelings were of regret that i had lost the election but is a sense of relief to be free of the responsibilities for a while. >> revealing bitter feelings about the late ted kennedy, his take on barack obama and the hostage crisis in iran that probably cost him a second term. what's changed in the 30 years since he left office? jimmy carter in his last hour-long interview with me next on "larry king live." >>> good evening, we're in new york with jimmy cart, the 13th president of the united states, the nobel prize laureate and founder of the carter center, best selling author and his new book "white house diary" an extraordinary collection. you kep

that's the nightmare for joseph ratzinger. and to a degree because of his track record that could come true. >>> tonight, jimmy carter on the white house diary. >> i wanted to be free of responsibility for a while. >> larry: revealing feelings on the late ted kennedy, his take on barack obama, and the hostage crisis in iran that probably cost him a second term. >>> what's changed in the 30 years since he left office? jimmy carter in his last hour-long interview with me next on "larry king live." good evening, we're in new york with jimmy carter. the 39th president of the united states. the nobel prize laureate and co-founder of the carter center, best selling author, and his new book, "white house diary," an extraordinary collection published by ferau, strauss, and jar awe. you kept the diary and now reveal it? >> i waited 30 years and thought i'd reveal it. >> why wait? >> it was highly personal. when i wrote it, i never thought it i would let it be published. but i reread it a few years ago, and i saw there were so many thin

what cardinal ratzinger feared most. they're just going to go their own wa believe what ey want to believe. in the end, that could be the worst scenario ever, that's the nightmare for joseph ratzinger and to a degree because of his track record, that could come true. >> larry: tonight -- >> my final appearance on the "larry king live" show. >> larry: he kept one of hollywood's most buzzed about secrets until tonight. the comic reveals the true identity -- >> a total shock. >> come on, jerry, please, please, please, please, please. >> larry: someone we have only read about. >> it was a nom of plume. >> larry: one of the funniest men on the planet is here. jerry seinfeld is next on "larry king live." ♪ >> larry: good evening. i have to say this? jerry seinfeld is an actor, director, author, and comedian. >> keep going. >> larry: you may not know who he is. he is making his directing debut, long story short, history of the world in 75 minutes and he wrote the forward to an all new "letters from a nut" one of the funniest bo

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ratzinger or whoever should've cut him off.uld've saved a lot of victims from him. >> reporter: the vatican admits that they approved it. but said it was his deputy who placed the pedophile priest in a new parish. a decision the vatican says ratzinger was unaware of. the vatican's prosecutor worked for years on sex abuse cases. when he sat down with me at the vatican, it was his first ever television interview on the pope's record. >> now, we're talking about a big, huge diocese with a minimum of 100 priests. the archbishop needs a delegate. and he would then delegate his decisions and the follow-up, and two other people. >> that's totally understandable. but of those 1,000, i'd bet there are not that many sexual molesters. and it's probably pretty easy -- >> i hope not. >> it's probably pretty easy to keep track of sexual molesters. and my question for you is maybe it's possible that the cardinal could've done a better job of keeping track of the sexual molesters? >> when he delegates something, then you feel that you are resp

the lawsuit first names joseph ratzinger now pope. is named on as john doe 16. >> translator: yeah, i was confused as to why he was having -- here he is a priest. you know, i was trying to figure out -- i mean, i can't believe a priest would do that. >> reporter: the priest is believed to have picked out victims who were especially vulnerable or had been through tragedy already in their young lives. terry fit that pattern. >> translator: my brother was electrocuted. died when i was 10. and when i was 11 my father hung himself. and at 12 my favorite dog died and tore me up. i saw father murphy and i thought that he could be a second father. >> reporter: tell me why, terry, you have decided to file suit. what do you want to see happen? >> translator: i want the see the vatican because i've been waiting for all these years for them to excommunicate, defrock father murphy but they haven't. >> and to find out what cardinal rat zinger knew and did about father murphy tune in next weekend "what the hopope knew." it is saturday and sunday 8:0

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