but then when we found out that, hey, he may have talked to the rausch russian ambassador, that's when we started having conversations with the vice president as to whether or not he was being honest or not. so i mean, it felt like it happened very quickly, and we made a determination very quickly. >> do you still believe this was an honest mistake by mr. flynn, or are you concerned it's something more nefarious? >> no, i don't think he did -- my view is -- and i am not an expert on, you know, the logan act. i can tell you that our legal department looked at it. my view is what he did wasn't illegal like many others have said, but it was the fact that he wasn't straight or honest. and i just found it hard to believe that you would have a conversation with a russian ambassador and -- and not remember it. so either way, either you don't remember or you weren't honest. either way, it was an unsustainable place to be, in the president made a decisive decision to ask for his resignation and he got it. but look, the fact of the matter is, in between all that time the president got a lot of t

jonathan rausch writes: when i was young, gay americans were forbidden to work for government, forbiddenmaking love even in their own homes, beaten and killed in the streets, arrestedby police for sport, fired from jobs, joked about, demeaned, bullied as a matter of course, condemned as sick by scientists, condemned by their own parents. >> indeed. john: almost entirely changed in 20, 30 years. >> it's the fastest, it's the fastest unraveling of a, you know, suppression of minorities ever. and just think about like alan turing who almost single-handedly saved the allies by cracking the code of the nazis. he was gay. and to reward him for saving western civilization, the british government had him chemically castrated, and he killed himself. that's just barely more than half a century ago. john: still watching the news, you'd think life is getting worse. >> isis is out of control. >> hundreds of homes have been swept away. >> more violence. >> rioters burning buildings and vehicles -- john: those things did happen. >> there'll always be enough incidents to fill the evening news with film

sanctions during a preinauguration phone call with rausch russia's ambassador to the united states.nter-terrori counter-terrorism experts. phil mudd. if flynn discussed the sanctions with the russian ambassador before the election and lied about it and the vice president went on television to repeat what he told him should he offer his resignation? >> he should. he is about done. seems like he is in the news every week for a question about judgment. let's be clear about the transition. this is not about judgment and temperament. this is now about integrity. the other thing i would say as a national security professional is that there is something missing here, wolf. he says he doesn't remember what was said during that conversation. i don't know whether the government is or is not intercepting the russian ambassador's phone calls. if they are there is a transcript. i don't know how you as a national security professional can say i don't know what happened in the call. you just say, let's look at the transcript. you have the answer. somebody knows what happened here. if there is the

. >> jack rausch. [ inaudible ] >> steve schwartz. >> okay. thank you very much. thank you, folks. >> all right. we're going to jump away. this was president trump meeting with his economic advisory council. christie -- christine romans knows everything about the business world. and jeff zeleny, the meeting did seem very cordial, he didn't mention the uber ceo. >> reporter: this meeting is happening in the state dining room, it's actually under way right now. that was just the beginning of the meeting, the introductions and things. interestingly, the president talking about the jobs number first and foremost. this unemployment rate he is inheriting. this will be the bench line, the beginning marker for his administration. he's often talked about how he does not believe this number. when he was exchancampaigning, d there are many, many more unemployed americans, but now this is a number he will accept. of course you saw him accepting that and being happy with that. but also, steven schwartz, the s ceo of blackstone, interesting, he said immigration. carol, that is