ravi agrawal. — in the last few weeks. ravi agrawal, thank _ in the last few weeks.k you for your time today. are expected to have meetings with donald trump in for a peace deal that benefits ukraine. how does keir starmer play this if he gets to meet donald trump in the next week, because he has stood up in defence of president zelensky and ukraine this week, but it is obviously trick navi ation? �*tricky navigation? i a very tricky navigation? i think what he said about support for president zelensky support for president zelensky support for president zelensky support for ukraine and support for ukraine was it quite actually it was quite and it was very understated and it was very minimum he would state, clearly trying not to pick an argument with the in with the american president in the in terms he says he says next week. i of what he says next week, i think he is going on thursday, from i hear, he gets from what i hear, he gets through the door with a certain amount of added credibility, i ameunt ef added tredibitittl. t is the agegdnt ef added tredibitity. t i

joining us now, editor in chief for foreign policy, ravi agrawal. all right. we get to the subtext of what what jd vance was talking about there when he's telling these countries they need to embrace nationalism and embrace more voices, who is he saying they need to embrace? >> well, he. >> specifically named romania as one election. >> that was annulled. >> in part because the results weren't. >> to the liking. >> he said of people there. but of course there were concerns about russian interference, so he was alluding to that. but he could also be talking about the german party afd, which elon musk has put his weight behind. this is a far right party with some connections to a history of nazism. that could be another allusion, although he didn't name it specifically. it's very telling, however, that for all his concern about freedom of speech, he didn't mention that that is a problem in russia. he didn't mention that that is a problem in china. those are two countries that he did not even mention. he did not mention ukraine in the speech that we're talking ab