after a decade of tests, ravitch has changed her tune. >> i thought, i'm wrong.d a lot of people. ♪ >> ravitch notes that their performance has led test obsessed school districts to cut programs like the arts that foster real creative. >> i've seen many articles of how a child wants to somehow break free of the lock step approach to sfan dardized instruction and standardized testing. we, on the other hand, seem to be rushing towards the model that they are trying to shake free of. >> i've heard people say, you know, the american system needs to be one which encouraging people to be curious, adventurous, taking risks, not this sort of style system where everyone's hurtling towards a test. they will often cite you as an example. they'll say, well, look, bill gates dropped out of college, spent hours and hours in computer labs just dreaming up stuff. this was not working methodically towards a test. what do you say to that? >> well, certainly if my example is meaningful, it's just one data point. being good at math and having that knowledge was critical to my being

. >> nyu professor diane ravitch issues a harsh critique of gates and other reforms in her book "the great american school system." >> he is listening to economists who believe that the best way to evaluate is based on test scores. many teachers may be fired the and test scores may go up, but they won't be better educated. >> ravitch used to be a big fan of "no child left behind" proposed by president bush which was the law of the land, but after the test results, ravitch has changed her tune. >> i thought, that is wrong. that shocked a lot of people. >> ravitch notes that the importance has led test-obsessed school districts to cut programs like the arts that foster real creativity. >> i have seen many articles how a child wants the break free of the lock-step approach to standardized instruction and standardized testing, and we on the other hand seem to be rushing towards the model that they are trying to shake free of. >> i have heard people say that the american system needs to be one which encourages people to be curious, and venture rouse, taking risks, not this asian-style sys

. >> nyu professor diane ravitch issues a harsh critique.s is profoundly wrong. what he'll discover is that many teachers will be fired. test scores may go up, but students won't be better educated. >> we're going to send more money, more resources. >> ravitch used to be a big fan of testing, supporting the no child left behind measure passed by president bush. which made testing the law of the land. after a decade of tests, ravitch has changed her tune. >> i thought, i'm wrong. and that shocked a lot of people. ♪ >> ravitch notes that their importance has led test obsessed school districts to cut programs like the arts that foster real creative. >> i've seen many articles of how a child wants to somehow break free of the lockstep approach to standardized instruction and standardized testing. we, on the other hand, seem to be rushing towards the model that they are trying to shake free of. >> i've heard people say, you know, the american system needs to be one which encourages people to be curious, adventurous, taking risks, not this sort of

gary ravitch is up next. >>pam: protesters are moving back towards frank ogawa plaza. some of them are surrounding drugs industry. people are meandering about. the strike is it generally over after closing down the port today. protesters early this morning were able to close four of oakland's biggest banks. >>haaziq: protesters started marching just after 10:00 a.m.. this a wells fargo on the broadway was the first bank they set down. same for this bank directly across the street. the doors were locked and the bank was empty. a few doors down, one of the largest banks in the world, citibank, shut down for the day. a cause for celebration for the 99% in downtown oakland. >>maureen: you are looking at protesters taking to the streets. right now people are chancing it the banks were bailed out, we were sold out. many protesters say that the underlying theme is corporate greed in america. >>pam: we should tell you, we are just hearing that some of the occupy protesters are announcing on twitter that they want to go back to the port at 3:00 a.m. to try to stop the next shif