you've made a few in your career, obviously "ranging bull," but you play ray arcel. >> yes. >> seth: a boxing trainer who you actually met during the making of "raging bull." is that right? >> i met him once or twice, yeah. and i was very impressed with him. guy, sort of refined and well-dressed, not the way you would imagine a trainer, a boxing trainer, the traditional boxing trainer as we somehow imagine -- not imagine, i've seen them. >> seth: sure. and talking about the way it presents, still, there's great detail in the film about, that he would comb duran's hair in between rounds. >> yeah, he was a hairdresser before that. >> seth: oh, he really -- was he really? >> no, i'm kidding. [ laughter ] >> seth: because that would be he think of, a lot of hair -- "i'm cutting hair now, but i want to be a boxing trainer." >> there you go. only my hairdresser knows for sure. "no, oh, yeah, whatever, no." but he just did that as a psychological thing to make the other fighter, the way i understand it, sort of unnerve them a little bit, to make them look -- duran look sort of neat and toge