many, many people would like to be in my position and get to hang out with ray charles or willy nelson for days and weeks at a time and hang out at the kitchen table and hear stories, so i'm there just not for me, but for, you know, all those members of people who want to gain access to these people. >> host: is it profitable? >> guest: it is. i mean, one of the other challenges -- i mean, you know, it's interesting, i was just at a conference over the weekend, music conference in seattle and a person asked me, what do you think the purpose of a -- what did she ask? what is your purpose as a writer and i said, i have two. one is to avoid a nervous breakdown and the other one is to sort of make a -- make a living and the two tied together because if you have a nervous breakdown you can't make living and if you're making a living, you can't have a nervous breakdown. for me as a freelance writer, it's been really important to make a living and not go nuts and ghost writing has been a great way for me to get from a financial point of view because there's a built-in market for stars. they a