and that was jim cavanaugh columnist for reason magazine and ray hans a law and blogger for the national review online the agenda and with that is going to do it for now for more on the stories we covered go to our t. dot com slash usa took our you tube channel it's you tube dot com slash r.t.m. america you can catch additional interviews analyzing the debt ceiling as well as the decline in the middle class all very interesting viewpoints from other guests also follow me on twitter at lauren lyster have a good evening thank you so much for tuning in.