. >> ray hart. i will keep repeating it. i would like my case against louis herrera brought back before the commission. i filed another complaint against him for the same exact reason so i don't think the task force having decided he was in violation. you unanimously -- well, not unanimously. mr. pilpel voted against it, will have problems getting it back here. the bottom line is mr. herrera as i talked about this oofng evening hid funds he was receiving from friends of the library and gifts he knew he had to report and we had to take him to the f bbc in sacramento and find him in violation and he's a convicted perjurer and said he got nothing when he got $5,000 a year and he lied to your faces and you don't seem to be worried about that at all. he told you this isn't a first amendment issue and it's always been from the 150 word summaries they started six years ago to telling people they weren't allowed to talk about certain things at library commission meetings to our criticism of the financial relationship with the friend

ray hart director of san francisco open open government. in 1964 and here in san francisco barry goldwater accepted the nomination for president and his brief acceptance speech included items that were boiled down to the following. i would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and let me remind you moderation and the pursuit of justice is no virtue and i want to make it clear that any citizen including myself has the right to come here and tell you stuff that you don't want to hear and talk about your performance as members of this commission and this commission as a whole. and yet the pattern here seems to be that you joke about it and you act when members of the public come to talk to you that they're being species or anarchistic or whatever and the perfect case when we were talking not too long ago and you were joking "well, you think we're trying to hide stuff." i don't think you're trying to hide stuff. you do it all the time. that's what you do. you're here to hide stuff that you do and other city agencies do.

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