>> ray hartz, director of san francisco open government. i sometimes get a feeling of coming in to the middle of casablanca, where the french inspector says, round up the usual suspects. and it is always the same faces doing the same thing. and very frankly, i don't see anything that you do that actually improves ethical behavior in this city. and not one thing. the karine case was a fiasco, how many millions of dollars did you spend trying to get rid of an elected official when the real way is that is supposed to be done is through a recall election, you did it because your masters in city hall said that you need to do this. bottom line is, i don't see anything that you do, except fitz around with the campaign finance laws. and every six weeks, you have another memo saying rearrange the finance laws, and rearrange the finance laws, rearrange the finance laws. that seems to be the only thing that is on your agenda, in fact, later on we are going to be discussing the executive director's report and that is the only thing that has one or two

>> commissioners, ray hartz director of san francisco open government. i only on these minutes want to comment on item number 2. first i want to acknowledge dr. derek hur for all that he did and continues to do to raise the ethical level of city government. what dr. kurr endured sends a large and clear message for the employees of the city, don't report wrong doing and don't trust the whistle blower program and don't trust the people that you work for who are doing the illegal actions that you are trying to report. follow the example of this ethics commission and just look the other way. the ethics commission handles of this matter at best was incompetent, my personal opinion it was nothing less than the collusion with other city entities to cover up wrong doing and illegalties. the final out come, not one city employee was held accountable. they took retribution against dr. kurr and fired dr. kurr and did not give him three quarters of a million dollars because he was treated well. the only losers in this whole evolution were the citizens of san francis

>> again, ray hartz, director of san francisco open government, you know what i would like to say on future ago agenda that you would actively solicit impute from the citizens from san francisco about what they would expect you to be doing and one of the things that you don't see on tv is that i and one other person are the only two members of the public that bothered to come tonight, i think that most people after a while they come to these meetings and look at what you do and watch what you do and listen to what you say and make a decision that is just not worth their time or energy to be here. and but they would like to see you from you, in my opinion, is that you would actually give them some hope that you intend to raise the ethical standards in san francisco government, from my percent, anything and everything that you do is based on some hidden agenda, given to you by your political masters. your political appointees. and each of you and each and every one of you answered your appointing authority, and rather than to the citizens of san francisco. and as far as i can tell, you

one is ray hartz. another is [speaker not understood], and james chafee. otto rich, astute, stellar individuals who are very well versed with the digital medium. now, most of their deliberation was not on point and it wasn't on point because what the city is doing not only the commissions, but even at the board of supervisors is depriving advocates, people with knowledge, not giving them sufficient time. for example, if you go to the board of supervisors, they're limited to two minutes. if they see me, they limit it to one minute. that's not funny. ray, mr. hartz, much like myself, are very well versed with the freedom of information act. he served in the navy, i served in the army. we feel strongly the need to express ourselves with the best technology available. not once have you commissioners mentioned any equipment that's wireless. do you know of any laptop that's wireless that can perform all that you stated? so, we have an expert or a facility manager here who says about digging under the concrete floor, installing a pipe and making -- and blowing th

[multiple voices] >> the next item on the agenda is ethics complaint 04-14 303, ray hartz versus luis herrera, city librarian. mr. herrera. >> mr. hartz is not here and did not request a continuance. so, i'm assuming we're just going to go ahead. >> we're going to go forward. thank you for your patience, sir. >> sure, thank you very much, commissioners. i'm luis herrera, city librarian. i trust you received my letter that gave background on this matter regarding showing cause for the sunshine ordinance task force, an order of termination. mr. hartz violated the sunshine ordinance by failing to provide equal access to members of the public regarding the library use of audiovisual material during public comment. >> sir, i'm sorry to interrupt you. i'm going to ask staff at the door be closed so we can actually hear you. >> thank you. >> so, [speaker not understood] highlight the audience. you've been very patient this evening. the [speaker not understood] commission did not violate the sunshine ordinance because the commission entered a decision not to expend significant resource he to