one of the meetings that senator ensign arranged for him was of the transportation secretary, ray la hood, it took place earlier this year. i wondered when i read that, if this might be a c street connection. do you think? >> yes, ray la hood has been involved with the family for some time you can find his name in the documents and it goes back to when he was in peoria politics. he doesn't live at the c street house. but you must remember that the family is much bigger than c street house. once again you see him putting into practice what they preach, which is that politics should take place through the -- behind the scenes relationships, one's brother in the so-called family helping out another, and if you have to bend rules to do that, that's fine, because you're serving as senator coburn says a higher authority. >> jeff, do you know for sure, does anybody know for sure if senator coburn or senator ensign are still living at c street? it seems to me there's no easy way to tell. >> we don't, but actually a little while ago, a friend of mine went by to check on things at c-street. and not