the way we train young drivers and the difficulties in tracking down on distracted driving of the ray lahood was secrete of transportation in the first obama administration, and was a long-time member of the house in illinois. welcome back to the programme. >> thank you, great to be here. >> did anything you try in those years as secretary work? causes? >> when we walked in the door, not one person talked about distracted driving. 18 states passed laws. when we left, we got the number to 42 states, which is good, and people were talking about distracted driving. we had state farms, other insurance companies. car companies were talking about it. but we have a long way to go, ray. here we are in washington d.c., and if you drive around washington, just about everybody that is driving around washington has a cell phone up to their ear, and they can't drive safely when they do that. >> you and i were walking on a d.c. street, standing on a corner of a downtown street. and it was ludicrous, that we had arranged for every second driver to have a phone to their ear. >> we are trying to persuade peo