it's actually not true if you think about general ray odierno who used to be in charge in iraq who recently took over as army chief of staff said the larger the force we leave behind the more comments of occupation force remain and then you know that can we have to think of why are there continuing to develop iraq we don't want to be called an occupation force so we have to consider the fact that we need to number down get the numbers down ok the last person in the world wants to argue with ray odierno who's one of the few people who actually scares me i die but the bottom line is we're if we're there in more than three you can call us an occupying force the problem is can you accomplish the mission you're there to do with the numbers you're leaving if you leave three thousand people we can barely conduct a training mission and we have absolutely no chance to conduct a security mission if c. oh i don't know the oil rich region of kirk cook blows up when the kurds decide to secede because there's nobody there to stop them or there's nobody there to intervene if the iraqis decide to take her

. >> the vice president and ray odierno and jack keen and kagan at the american enterprise incity tute, it probably would haven't happened. >> he brought jack keen in to talk to the president because he thought he was the person who would be best able to make a forceful argument on behalf of the surge and thought that keen had a great effect doing that. >> cheney's book is chapter of history. they're not that upset about his account of the surge or negotiations with north korea, they should write an essay explaining their understanding of what happened. ultimately, as cheney admits that president bush signed on to secretary rice's policies on north carolinnorth korea. >> they were his personnel policies. >> there is an extraordinary thing about the surge where the spring of 2007 where the surge is getting underway, it is authorized by the president himself. >> wow! when we come back, back to school time. many families are reeling after signing that first big college tuition check. why does it cost so much? are you getting what you paid for? [ male announcer ] these are volunteers... ou

i guess that doesn't include army chief of staff ray odierno, as think progress points out, odierno hasn'tving iraq a year ago, i always felt we had to be careful about leaving too many people in iraq. there comes a time when the u.s. presence becomes counterproductive.