ray are very close. so we decided we would go out and visit with roy and talk to him about his brother and about how it is being out of prison. >> roy slagled been out for four months at the time of our visit. but after nearly 20 years of incarceration, much of it in solitary confinement, he was still struggling with the transition to the free world. >> you go from a pecking order type mentality into an economic society, and it's tough, it really is, because everybody is wearing the same clothes, everything's uniform. it don't matter about what type of car you drive, what type of house you live in, how much money you got. that's kind of irrelevant in prison because it's a pecking order society. it's the strong, you know, and that's how you survive. >> before i met him, all i had was this image of this gruff, ripped guy who could take on the whole team of officers, and upon meeting him, i just was shocked to find out that he's actually kind of a calm and collected guy who is not this monster that you see on these cell extraction videos. >> i didn't even know how to turn the computer on until recently. >> what was most interesting to me abou

. >> in 1977 ray plotted another escape with james slagle and two other inmates. the plan was to climb the outer wall using a makeshift ladder crafted from chains. the inmates knew the tower guard closest to the wall took an afternoon nap. but slagle feared ray's high profile would lead them to the escapees. >> i said, james, you've got no pickup, no car. as soon as your foot touches down, they know it's you, there will be a million cops in this valley and there's no way you'll get away. it's a futile effort and i don't believe in wasting my energy, so i just sat and watched it happen. that's the corner where james and spider monkey went over. the fence was not here at this time. it was a mountain serving as the fourth wall of the penitentiary. james went over, the number one man. doug went over. spider monkey climbed it. he was supposed to pull the chain ladder up. but when he jerked, he fell backwards and fell off the wall. the ladder fell back down. there at the horseshoe pit, doug taylor was pitching horseshoes. he's watching these guys go over. no one's getti