. >> raymond john long at uc berkeley. i just wanted to mention that there is a report from the research counsel. i don't know when it will be out. but it's supposed to be imminent and in the next few weeks. and i thought as an outside reviewer that it does a very good job of going into considerable detail of what anyone from the outside has to admit is a complicated context. nontechnical but equally important matters of concepts of operations, employments and many other factors. that report does not go into political issues, the economics, and so on and so much. but i really dmend this to you when it comes on. it will be available as a pdf. and i just thought since at least one of the panels was a coauthor, perhaps they're shy about mention iing it. a large expert group was put together. and i think it will contribute by clarifying the concepts and issues without necessarily resolving the issues to the satisfaction of anyone, let alone everyone in the room. >> it's a report coming out from the national research counsel on