and, raymond kelly, former police commissioner of new york city, and now president of risk managementvices at cushman & wakefield. a commercial real estate firm. we welcome you both to the program. raymond kelly, to you first, what are your thoughts, before i ask you about police practices in general, about what the president was saying today, the need for more community policing, that they are going to put money forward for 50,000 body cameras, they want to put restrictions on military-style equipment. how does all this come across the you? >> i generally support the president's position. i would only say about body cameras, i think they should be tested a little more. i think we should have pilot programs. 50,000 is a big number. it's clear cameras are meant to have police officers hesitate. if they hesitate from doing things they shouldn't be doing, that's a good thing. if they hesitate from doing things they should be, that obviously is not good. so i think we need more examination in the area of body cameras, but i support that -- the testing going forward. as far as the demilita