he has to this day never apologized to raymond santana, who joins us, or any member of the central park five. raymond, i want to ask you the same question that i just asked van jones. how do you make sense of the president who can show mercy to someone like alice marie johnson, but still to this day hasn't apologized to you or the other four of the central park five? >> you know, anderson, it's -- when i first heard about it, you know, i really thought that it was a good thing. i thought it was a great thing, that somebody was finally pardoned, that he had taken a step to do something for alice johnson. but, there's a part of me that, because of this mass track record, because we know that he's deceitful, he has lied several times, he has fabricated things, it's very hard to believe that it comes from a genuine place. and then we find out that kim kardashian, you know, went and spoke to him and consulted with him, and she swayed him to do this. so, it just proves that, at the end of the day, he's still full of lies and still full of trickery, and that it hurts, because here we are, righ