use a 2.1%, the rcn it says 12.5%. it is| a 2.1%, the rcn it says 12.5%.t _ a 2.1%, the rcn it says 12.5%. it is a big gap- let me _ a 2.1%, the rcn it says 12.5%. it is a big gap. let me finish. the government budgeted 2.1% and they passed _ government budgeted 2.1% and they passed that in legislation, because the nhs _ passed that in legislation, because the nhs came to the house of commons. every tory mp voted for 2.1% commons. every tory mp voted for 2~i% in_ commons. every tory mp voted for 2.1% injanuary last commons. every tory mp voted for 2.1% in january last year. commons. every tory mp voted for 2.1% injanuary last year. that should — 2.1% injanuary last year. that should be _ 2.1% injanuary last year. that should be the basis on which negotiations and discussions are now entered _ negotiations and discussions are now entered into with the trade unions. what _ entered into with the trade unions. what the _ entered into with the trade unions. what the government have been saying is that while an overall funding settlement was enshrined in law, sp

it comes from the rcn's _ and what is it for? it comes from the rcn's funds _ and what is it for?d what is it for? it comes from the rcn's funds and it _ and what is it for? it comes from the rcn's funds and it is - and what is it for? it comes from the rcn's funds and it is for - the rcn's funds and it is for compensating in some small way our members if in fact they end up taking strike action and end up losing pay as a result of that. i believe the royal college of nursing has said nurses deserve a 12.5% increase. that sounds fantastical when you think of the state of the country's finances. how could you justify that when the government is saying i% is all we can afford? irate saying 1% is all we can afford? we have ut saying 1% is all we can afford? - have put out evidence into the pay review body to make the case for the 12.5% claim we have put in. lots of it is based on the fact that over the last 12 years despite what the government wants to keep claiming nursing pay has fallen behind what it was over ten years ago by over 12.5%. what it was over ten years ago by over i2.5

the rcn is talking about a -a rise staff. the rcn is talking about a pay rise of— staff.taff. the rcn is talking about a pay rise of 12.596 to _ staff. the rcn is talking about a pay rise of 12.596 to take - staff. the rcn is talking about a pay rise of 12.596 to take into - pay rise of 12.5% to take into account, they say, begin as they have not had a pay rise. in percentage terms, that is what i am trying to get, what is fair to you and what would be enough to recognise the contribution of health care staff in dealing with the pandemic? i care staff in dealing with the pandemic?— care staff in dealing with the andemic? , . , pandemic? i understand the nursing union will be — pandemic? i understand the nursing union will be looking _ pandemic? i understand the nursing union will be looking at _ pandemic? i understand the nursing union will be looking at a _ pandemic? i understand the nursing union will be looking at a pay - pandemic? i understand the nursing union will be looking at a pay rise i union will be looking at a pay rise of the cohort of nurses within the overa

the rcn says 12.5%. there's a big, big gap. now, let me finish.spending plans for the nhs came to the house of commons and it went through the house of commons. every tory mp voted for 2.1% injanuary, last year. so it's law? that should be the basis on which negotiations and discussions are now entered into with the trade unions. now, what the government have been saying in terms of this 2.1% is that while an overall funding settlement was enshrined in law, specific figures on pay were not. and of course ministers have been pointing as well to the economic situation at the moment. they say nurses, for example, are being exempted from a wider public sector pay freeze. but interestingly, labour has been asked what it would put to the pay review body in terms of a recommendation and it is not naming a figure. it is just saying the pay review body should look at the issue. jonathan ashworth was asked if he would support the possibility of strike action by nurses and he described that as a hypothetical and said nurses didn't want to go on strike and he

as a member of the rcn, i back a 12-5% — continue?t, it is a very _ anything below that. and suga, as a final thought, it is a very strong i final thought, it is a very strong emotional argument around nursing and nhs staff, which is been made very clearly, people will get that entirely. the other side of this coin is that if more money is given in a pay settlement to nhs staff, it comes from somewhere. and that is the reality, somewhere else loses out if this money goes to nhs staff. and that is an uncomfortable truth. where would you have the money come from? i where would you have the money come from? ~ ., where would you have the money come from? ~' ., , from? i think we need to identify what hasn't _ from? i think we need to identify what hasn't really _ from? i think we need to identify what hasn't really worked - from? i think we need to identify| what hasn't really worked through the pandemic. so if we look at the private test and trace, we can see that has not been that efficient, so that has not been that efficient, so thati

you say 2.1%, the rcn says i2.5%. there is a big, big gap. let me finish. house of commons and it went through the house of commons. every tory mp voted for 2.1% injanuary last year. that should be the basis on which negotiations and discussions are now entered into with the trade unions. and nowjohn ashworth saying that should be the basis. labour, when they've been asked, what do you think the rise should be, what would you say to the pay review body? they've been slightly reluctant to be drawn on a specific figure. it was interesting as well watching the shadow health secretary earlier speaking, he was asked repeatedly about whether he would support potential strike action. he seemed a little bit reluctant to be drawn on that too much. he said he'd supported action by staff in the past, but he was very insistent at the moment that it was hypothetical and that nhs staff and nurses don't want to strike. from the government's perspective, what we've been hearing from ministers recently is that the economy is in a difficult situation. that money is potential

you say 2.1%, the rcn says 12.5%. it is a big gap. let me finish.hey passed that in legislation, because the spending plans for the nhs came to the house of commons. every tory mp voted for 2.1% injanuary last year. that should be the basis on which negotiations and discussions are now entered into with the trade unions. what the government have been saying is that while an overall funding settlement was enshrined in law, specific figures on pay were not. ministers have been pointing as well to the economic situation at the moment, saying nurses are being exempted from a wider public sector pay freeze, for example. interestingly, labour has asked what it would put to the pay review body in terms of a recommendation — it is not naming a figure. it is just saying that the pay review body should look at the figure. jonathan ashworth was also asked if he would support the possibly of strike action by nurses. he described that situation as a hypothetical, saying that nurses do not want to go on strike, and he would always support nurses. not entirely dir

the rcn says i2.5%. there's a big, big gap. now, let me finish. spending plans for the nhs came to the house of commons and it went through the house of commons. every tory mp voted for 2.1% injanuary, last year. so it's law? that should be the basis on which negotiations and discussions are now entered into with the trade unions. john ashworth saying it should be the basis, labour when they have been asked what do you think the rise should be, what would you say to the pay review body had been slightly marked and to be drawn on a specific figure and it was interesting watching the shadow health secretary being asked repeatedly about whether he would support potential strike action seemed reluctant to be drawing on that too much, said he had supported it in the past but was insisted at the moment it was hypothetical and nhs staff nurses do not want to strike. from the government perspective we have been hearing from ministers recently that the economy is in a difficult situation, money is tight, there's a wider public sector pay which they carved

this morning, the nurses union, the rcn, said they were setting up of £35 million strike fund to compensatedecide to take action over pay. it's notjust health service workers have been on the front line during the pandemic. teachers have been holding classes for children of key workers. labour wants to see everyone in the public service rewarded with an increase. public sector workers should get a pay rise, it should not be frozen. they have been keeping our country going throughout this pandemic. it is absolutely wrong to freeze their pay at this time. but is absolutely wrong to freeze their pay at this time.— pay at this time. but labour have not said the _ pay at this time. but labour have not said the estimate _ pay at this time. but labour have not said the estimate -- - pay at this time. but labour have not said the estimate -- have - pay at this time. but labour have | not said the estimate -- have not not said the estimate —— have not stated how the estimated cost of £1 billion would be raised. the government has been keen to show its appreciation for nhs staff, but health union say

this morning, the nurses�* union, the rcn, said they were setting up a £35 million strike fund.ate their members for any loss of earnings if they decide to take action over pay. it's notjust health service workers who've been on the front line during the pandemic. teachers have been holding classes for children of key workers, police and other emergency services can't work from home, so labour wants to see everyone in the public service rewarded with an increase. public sector workers should get a pay rise, they shouldn't have their pay frozen. they have been keeping our country going throughout this pandemic. it is absolutely wrong to freeze their pay at this time. but labour hasn't said how the estimated cost of £1 billion would be met, and the party has ruled out any emergency tax rises. the government has been keen to show its appreciation for nhs staff, but health unions say last year's clap for carers has been replaced now by a hands—off attitude to public sector pay. iain watson, bbc news, westminster. let's get the latest from jonathan blake. the government must be aware

so, the rcn saying it is setting up this industrial action fund to prepare for a potential strike.northern england having more in the way of cloud but still some sunshine. temperatures not great for the time of year. chance of issolated showers towards the channel islands. into this evening and tonight, most places are looking dry with clear spells and light winds. predominantly dry after a chilly start with some frost. most of us staying dry if a little bit chilly for the course of the weekend. summer sunshine at times. bye for now. hello this is bbc news. the headlines: plans to give nhs staff in england a 1% pay rise are dismissed by unions as a 'kick in the teeth' — but ministers defend the proposal. our priorities have had to be protecting people's jobs and livelihoods. because without those jobs, and without those businesses continuing and people's employment continuing, we need that vibrant economy in order to fund the nhs. public—sector workers should get a pay rise. they shouldn't have their pay frozen. they have been keeping our country going throughout this pandemic. it

adam, this row over nhs pay, the government has proposed 1%, unions like the rcn one to 12%. to decide to accept that or not. the government's opening _ accept that or not. the government's opening bid _ accept that or not. the government's opening bid is 1%. the unions are pushing _ opening bid is 1%. the unions are pushing for— opening bid is 1%. the unions are pushing for a much higher, 12%. pushing fora much higher, 12%. labour— pushing for a much higher, 12%. labour say— pushing for a much higher, 12%. labour say it should be at least 2.1%. _ labour say it should be at least 2.1%, which is the figure that has appeared — 2.1%, which is the figure that has appeared in government documents from a _ appeared in government documents from a few— appeared in government documents from a few years ago, when they were looking _ from a few years ago, when they were looking forward to this period. but as you _ looking forward to this period. but as you said. — looking forward to this period. but as you said, angela rayner, the deputy— as you said, angela rayner, the deputy leader of

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