and reagan's policies hurt people during the reagan administration. and subsequently, right up until today, with the folks that are following their view of who and what ronald reagan was. i think one of the problems with the republican party nowadays is that many of them seem not to be part of the real world. i mean, there's no acknowledgement of reality. one of the reasons why reagan was able to govern, even though i was hostile to his policies, he was able to govern because he governed within the context of the real world. he discovered the realities of life in america and republicans are vereally moved away from th. >> what are the lessons that contemporary gop leaders be learning? >> you anticipated it at the top of the program when you said, you talked about reagan and governing. and i think it's a lesson not just for republicans, but for all politicians, including the current administration, is to know that governing is different than campaigning. and reagan understood that fundamentally because he campaigned for office so long. many don't know

that is true now and in the reagan era as well but with reagan and that was a little different that i will talk about. first of all,, when president reagan went to washington, he benefited he has seen all the mistakes that carter had made. i mean that he had no friends on capitol hill. nine. everybody said make at least one. he will tell you what is going on. [laughter] obama is like carter that way he does not want to hang out with the boy is he is probably a great father and has been but not the regular guy come over we will have a drink sam play cards and talk about the hell he says things likes i'd be glad to meet at the jefferson hotel again with this set number of people and i will be that 915. that is how he does it with you want to have somebody come over to your house you invite them to your house. it is different than they can decide when to leave. then they said let's me down at the bar in behalf to get back to the riding. roosevelt you could argue with the greatest -- the greatest president of twentieth century. [laughter] but he played poker all the time with these guys a

ronald reagan in his mind when he went to bed at night or thought about things was ronald reagan thentator, but ronald reagan, the governor, ronald reagan the president was a very different kind of a fish. ronald reagan realized when he cut taxes too much that he won, he came back a year later and had the biggest tax increase in history. that doesn't get into the ted cruz record book. he realized that social security was a very popular program, and after trying to mess with it in '81 and '82, he came back in '83 with a very progressive fix for social security that's lasted all the generations since. so, there was the ronald reagan in that record that he put out, that 78 rpm record in the 1960s, but he got back down to reality, and thanks to nancy reagan, his wife who i spent time with this weekend, and very much thanks to jim baker, he was a pracht capital conservative, like the british conservatives accepted national health after they got back into power with churchill in his second premiership. they didn't go back in time. they realized the public -- in fact, the best quote on this

tip and reagan gave us a 28% comp rate. imagine that. but the same tax for earned income is equity income which made the liberals happy. giving some of what you want and pushing onto the next challenge. today they stop every time and say we have been on this boat since 2011. this thing isn't new, we are not going to deal. this time they made a big mistake. they thought that obama would give up on his baby, just like the democrats for a while thought reagan would give up on his tax cuts. you don't give up on your baby. you fight for that. >> plus, the fact that affordable air is the law of the land right now. -- affordable care is the law of the land right now. wouldn't it be nice if they could have one bill and one issue. >> yes. ted cruz, this fire brand, came up with an idea we can stop the whole train if we go with health care so it was like if we come up with health care you are a bad guy, revolutionary. i have never seen anything like it. >> it seems like they are almost going back to the thing that is the common people need, the ev

reagan -- >> rose: that's the story here. >> reagan respected congress. he respected that all those guys had been elected. he did respect them and he spent a lot of time with them. >> rose: he'd go right over their heads, wouldn't he? >> but he'd have tip to dinner, spend time with him, jim baker was the best there was. he would come to tip and give them heads up on what was coming next out of respect in the back room. "tell nobody about it." he'd go to his house. reagan was always sending signs of respect to tip, he knew they was co-branch of government and it was equal. none of this "i'm better than you." >> rose: back to the book, when you look at these two guys, are we simply looking at a time that will never again be? or is simply a question of the philosophy of the tea party members is one of, in their own minds, it's principle, principle principle? >> rose: >> well, i think there was a difference. i was looking at a tape of the "today" show april 10, 1985. bryant gumbel was still anchoring and he goes "at this hour a bipartisan delegation is meetin

over the reagan presidency his attitude certainly, but that didn't mean he thought the reagan presidencyked with it from the start. >> he carried massachusetts. that was a message. liberal massachusetts. not as liberal as everybody says. liberal. when that went with the 44 states. i almost think the people that i grew up with. working class, middle class irish. italian. reagan democrats we called them. people that tip knew really well. when they came up and said i love this guy, reagan. be nice to him. really got to tip. really did. >> the lesson for today, when we see this congress struggling the way it is. this is the structure that -- that reagan was elected into. which is, house of representatives, of an opposing party. we saw it work back when you were working there for tip o'neill. >> without getting too enumerating it's in the book. first, tip respected the fact that reagan won big. he said, look you won all the states. we are going to respect you. you are going to get a honeymoon. when is the last time a politician got a honeymoon. your chief counselor said give him his schedule.

>> reagan hated the idea of nuclear war.ason we didn't go to war is one side would totally annihilate the other side. he said the russians are good people like us. it's not their fault they have a lousy leadership. he understood the situation. >> glu can have your and know i'll have my opinion and i guess we'll never know. >> see, i kept a book -- >> stephen: is that recipes? what is that? >> no, no, no. unlike bill o'reilly who gets it from up there, i kept notes. >> stephen: really. you're not ininspired by god to write a book. by the way, why didn't you call it "killing tip and the gipper." >> when are we going to have the book we've been waiting for "killing o'reilly?" >> stephen: i'm not saying it wouldn't abe big serl, but it might be a little cry for help. you wrote things down. >> i kept a diary the whole year-- all the times with stip tipand reagan. >> stephen: did you think you'd be respond at some point. >> not then. today people worry about it. i knew i had to keep my record. >> stephen: you said they got along i

deal with reagan. he wanted to help make himself a better arguer in public and so he brought me in to beat reagan and he won. for six years it was my job to be his consiglierry. >> rose: let's talk about what was in the book. the ronald reagan you know --. >> the ronald reagan i know and met firsthand in -- when he came up to give the state of the union address in 1982, you get to the second year, he walked into what was our ceremonial office right up the house floor and i walked in to welcome him there because it was the holding room and i said mr. president, welcome to the room where we plot against you. i really did. and he said "oh, no, not after 6:00. the speaker says we're friends after 6:00." and that friends after 6:00 thing was real between them. they tried to honor it. reagan called after 3:00 and said "after 6:00, can you rechange your watch?" because he wanted to talk about something personal. and they did try to be courteous and they fought like hell, like brothers on issues and they said

take the reagan tax cuts x of the early 1980s.upply-side enthusiasts argued that lower tax rates lead to higher productivity, which would lead to a greatly increased gnp. this greater gnp would actually result in higher government tax revenues. we'd get such increases in productivity and growth, we wouldn't even have to think about government deficits. the less enthusiastic view was that lower tax rates would cause big budget deficits, that government borrowing would cause high interest rates, and this would result in lower business investment and growth. the effects of the reagan tax cuts are very complicated. many of these effects are still with us. if we compare 1981 and 1984, we can say, yes, productivity did increase. yes, there was growth. total federal tax revenues did increase slightly. but yes, there were huge budget deficits, and real interest rates stayed at damagingly high levels. perhaps on one point both sides might agree. if you're going in for massive tax cuts to spur productivity growth, it would be prudent to do

later when he represented reagan to this new soviet leader reagan had never met before gorbachev and i kept thinking this is different you know as i came across a piece that save the other day this is bryant gumbel when he's doing that today show you know the cold open in this hour a bipartisan delegation is meeting in moscow with the new soviet leader they are carrying with them a letter from the present expressing a desire to meet with him the leader of the delegation is thomas pizza jr the speaker of the house he didn't say with any sarcasm novelty it was considered perfectly normal thirty years ago for the opposition leader to represent the president how times can you listen to better representing obama to putin unimaginable told me once that this might explain the whole relationship that he scored straight on the house floor he just told the party then goes back to his office and the secretary says the president's on the phone tip said oh i'm going to hear it now and pick up the phone and reagan said did you hear the one about the. kind of relationship you also do it the other w

you know the sides of reagan actually and there's a picture of right maggie thatcher and then reagan and reagan they did a one hundred year long study looking at that they both australia and the u.k. they controlled for world war one for world war two they controlled for playtimes of there was actually a plague that happened somewhere in there they controlled for all kinds but it's all. you know and the conclusion and this is the b.b.c. saying this my telly five dollars a minute hole would not have committed suicide had conservatives never taken power in the u.k. or else i'll have to hang myself because the center guard that was there on leicester well ok all right we're not going to come to any agreement on this i'm curious what you guys think about yes or no i don't know what was the question arctic tax supported and controlled by the government of england you see probably well there is off three or greater there you go all right you get the last word on that one next new jersey but i actually wasn't there study it was an independence day they were just reporting chris christie is

i would think even ronald reagan be rolling over in his grave right well first of all ron reagan would be a rhino which stands for republican in name only which is the worst thing you can be called if you're a republican but i want to correct you about something i do not believe there is in fact any moderate republican left in this country are you susan collins no there are a few pragmatists howard who understand that poll it. clearly this kamikaze kind of attitude that the tea party people and senator rafael eduardo cruz and. the princess from alaska have is is counterproductive politically it's hurting them in terms of getting reelected that's the only thing that care about that's the only constraint that concerns them as far as policy is concerned there are those there's nobody remotely like. dwight eisenhower or even richard nixon or her as you say ronald reagan i think those people would all be well to the left of center of today's republican party go back and you read the nine hundred fifty six republican party platform and they bragged and eisenhower ran ads about this i've run

i'm going to give it a name. >> he invented the reagan doctrine, not reagan.rybody has to have a doctrine. charles made it mandatory for every president to have a doctrine. >> reporter: after reagan's 49-state landslide krauthammer wasn't sure what to make of reagan the man who he met at the white house in 1986. >> he i vieted many me to lunch. i tried to engage him like on the contras. all of the sudden i'm hearing from him a story about how when he and nancy were in the guest house of president marcos of the philippines there was a giant spider on the ceiling. the question was how the to get him off without scaring nancy. i'm thinking, i don't get it. this is the most successful president in my lifetime. he seems to be out to lunch. what's going on? he said it was only later he realized what eluded him about reagan. >> he had no need to show how smart he was. he knew what i was asking. he didn't want to talk b about it. if you thought he was a dunce, he didn't care. he knew that he wasn't. >> reporter: it would be some time before krauthammer embraced a cons

reagan's greatest legacy.gh all those years, the key to their relationship was their ability to keep the lines of communication open. the great advantage of their socializing was they were always able to talk. that's very moving. joining me now is the woman who was there the whole time through those years. my wife kathleen matthews. we're going to do something you rarely see on "hardball." i'm going to turn the reins over to her. kathleen. >> it's hard to believe that was more than 30 years ago. it feels very fresh in my mine, certainly. >> positively or negatively? >> amazing how relevant it feels today even though it's three decades ago. and i think that's what you've been talking about as you've been promoting this book. but for me, you know, reading that book was like getting insights back into sort of the formation of your political mind. i thought it was so amazing. you kept a diary, and chris has this incredible ledger diary which he was able to draw upon. see if we can take a picture of that. draw upon

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american liberalism's low point when reagan comes into office. liberals just cannot begin to understand how the country of roosevelt and kennedy could have elected ronald reagan. on one hand, it reinforces, reemphasizes their alienation from their own country and believing that americans are no longer capable of embracing these ideas of social equality and economic opportunity and social justice. so, you know, the idea of ray -- reagan in the white house just sends them into fits of fury. at the same time, you have midwestern and southern democrats who look at, you know, the reagan revolution, and they take the really hard steps of understanding that american liberals have lost the pulse of middle america. and what they do is they build an infrastructure, an organization, a set of ideas, of moderate liberal ideas that can retake the center of american politics. and that's what the last couple of chapters are about, is about the rise of the democratic leadership council, the rise of bill clinton. and this didn't just happen. i mean, there were, yo

i'm hurt, reagan. that you think i'm stupid.k you're gonna be able to talk me out of what i have to do. what do you want, raul? 200,000 wired to my off-shore account. it's under my name at world dominican. number seven, four, six, nine, two, eight, two. and i want a flight to the dominican republic. i can make that happen, but you need to release the hostages. i don't think so. raul, i need a show of good faith. give me a sign of good faith, and i'll get started on what you want. one. i'll send out one. you send out one, i'll start making the arrangements. but it's gonna take some time. that's one thing you don't have. you get it here by 3:00. raul, that's two hours. it's not possible. 3:00. or i shoot hostages. starting with your sister. let me speak to her. let me... boyle: raul? you're facing more charges now, you know that, right? and every minute you keep this up makes it worse. chances are you're not gonna make it out of here alive. i will. if i bring her with me. inside the courtroom. we got the pinhole camera working. he

they were called reagan democrats. >> my other favorite thing was not reagan, but the man who recommendeduck coleson was who? >> tip onei, well l. . >> you have to read the book. tip oneill. so much fun to read. the book is tip and the beginner. he is killing it right now. still to come, how this can cost them the governor's race. the white house soup of the day, we are still sitting in turkey chili. [ male announcer ] this is jim, a man who doesn't stand still. but jim has afib, atrial fibrillation -- an irregular heartbeat, not caused by a heart valve problem. that puts jim at a greater risk of stroke. for years, jim's medicine tied him to a monthly trip to the clinic to get his blood tested. but now, with once-a-day xarelto®, jim's on the move. jim's doctor recommended xarelto®. like warfarin, xarelto® is proven effective to reduce afib-related stroke risk. but xarelto® is the first and only once-a-day prescription blood thinner for patients with afib not caused by a heart valve problem. that doesn't require routine blood monitoring. so jim's not tied to that monitoring routine. [ gps

>> on the day reagan was sworn in that's the first day i was writing. >> reagan's inaugural truly signalledlash of ideas. >> in this present crisis government is not the solution to our problem, 2k3w069ment is t -- government is the problem. >> the new republic was right in the midst of it. >> the writers were the best of that era. will i was still a democrat at the time. traditional liberal democrat. great society liberal. it is hard for people to believe now but the democratic party had a very powerful leg that was very -- (inaudible) krauthammer found himself believing more with reagan than others. >> i believed in the reagan policy. bow did we get reaction from our liberal read der ship. i wrote an article about the nuclear freeze that caused the largest number of canceled subscriptions in the magazine's history. >> what was his writing like? >> it has always been extremely step by step logical. if you can read a column by charles and still disagreehim a it you know you have a pretty good argument. >> those arguments had conservative columnists wondering why krauthammer and the new repu

reagan believed in the hollywood ending.d gorbachev of the hollywood ending how he ended the cold war. one guy's belief in what we can do, and americans, and the other guy, they probably can. >> you worked with carter? >> different guy than reagan. >> do you think carter got a bad rap? >> carter was right about everything. the irony. he was a pacifist. carter, obama is a dove, no pacifist. he can use the military. >> you think carter was a dove. >> hurt him a lot. >> were you suspicious at all about the hostage deal towards the end? >> we all talked about it. to our surprise. we dent know what was going on. don't think they had that much influence. except -- we were just, let me tell you, we were on the plane. and we were on marine 1, the helicopter. i was there. and i mean some times i feel like, zealot, i was there, as we got the word we lost out of seattle. the chief speech writer went up to carter, not the easiest to kid with. well, mr. president, you finally have your stump speech down. the rose garden strategy hasn't b

murder three the torch was passed back to an old generation the generation of johnson nixon ford and reagan leaders who would. systematically destroyed the promise of kennedy's last year as they returned the country to war and repression joins me now to discuss j.f.k. and their five year long project over stone excellent to have you thank you so much all or i want to start with you it's clear that you're serious that's j.f.k. apart from other presidents what makes you think he would have been different if he led. he was different in those three years he came into office after thirty years of national security state build up a monstrous build up we had we had thirty thousand nuclear weapons by nineteen sixty mandated by eisenhower and national security complex that was basically had a first strike capability of the soviet union and could get away with it and that is the basis for which the cuban missile crisis and the berlin berlin crisis of one nine hundred sixty one two brought us to the edge to the brink of war eisenhower's secretary of state dollars had called it brinksmanship going agai