. - we call on ronald reagan to withdraw from the presidential race. - you couldn't push ronald reagan, because he'd push right back. - i'm going to abide by the wishes of the people, not the politicians. [hip-hop music] ♪ - even today, most republicans worth their flag pins shout out "ronald reagan" and align themselves with his brand of conservatism. back in 1964, barry goldwater-- all chiseled jaw and strong beliefs-- defined what it meant to be a conservative. goldwater sowed the seeds for ronald reagan-- then a hollywood actor-- to enter politics with a speech on the 1964 convention floor. reagan debuted his winning oratory, but the rest, as they say, is not quite history. now it's rare that two people who lost could become such influential members of their parties, but it's long been said that goldwater and reagan lost their races in 64' and 76', but won the future. [rhythmic music] ♪ - i suggest tonight that the liberal approach to america's problems has failed miserably in every sphere of activity. [rock music] ♪ - he was really a man of the west, and the old-fashioned west. if

the number one issue of reagan. and that was signed in the east room of the white house right there. number two, that's on the inf level. on the strategic level, it started a -- on the basis of just exactly what strobe said, on the basis of what we agreed on that all night, negotiations was down to equal levels. real reductions for nuclear -- strategic nuclear weapons. okay? and this was important because every other previous arms control, the s.a.l.t. one and s.a.l.t. two had limited the growth of nuclear weapons. no one until reagan had really started to have a decline in nuclear weapons. that's why we changed s.t.a.r.t. -- he changed it, i didn't. changed s.t.a.r.t., strategic arms limitation talks, to s.a.l.t. from s.a.l.t. to s.t.a.r.t. strategic reductions talks. and it was very big move. right now, the russians have about one-fourth that they had in terms of nuclear stockpiles at the time of reykjavik. so that's the second on the strategic realm. didn't come during reagan's time. came during george herbert wa

but reagan comes up with the idea.cted that he would do that but it turns out he really really was. the last point to is why reykjavik was a failure despite what came from it with arms control and the movement to break up the soviet union. unlike saturday night with the reductions on sunday morning, they surprised us, he announced they went at zero to the inf systems in europe and we all said holy cow this is never never, before. number two all the strategic gains we made were tied to the laboratory and that was never discussed at all. this was his idea to get that done. how was disastrous news to confront inf to the laboratory and then that is what put sunday into the total tailspin. >> we may have run the risk to go to far in the description because there isn't too much more in the book as you gave us the blow by blow. so i am sure you do have some comments and redo know that the soviet union to put it blunt their resolve lot of material that is not be the east with us cia of the security studies and through those ar

newman: president reagan, your summation, please. pres. reagan: yes. my thanks to the league of women voters, to the panelists, the moderator, and to the people of kansas city for their warm hospitality and greeting. i think the american people tonight have much to be grateful for -- an economic recovery that has become expansion, freedom and, most of all, we are at peace. i am grateful for the chance to reaffirm my commitment to reduce nuclear weapons and, one day, to eliminate them entirely. the question before you comes down to this -- do you want to see america return to the policies of weakness of the last four years? or do we want to go forward, marching together, as a nation of strength and that's going to continue to be strong? we shouldn't be dwelling on the past, or even the present. the meaning of this election is the future and whether we're going to grow and provide the jobs and the opportunities for all americans and that they need. several years ago, i was given an assignment to write a letter. it was to go into a time capsule and would

it is the jfk ronald reagan model. it's the model of getting the government restrained and modest in its two areas of economic policy, fiscal and monetary policy. both kennedy and reagan identify substantially cutting income taxes, getting the dollar strong and stable as the specific policy that would like the private sector which is to say the real economy thrive. we need that. most of us are well aware that reagan was a tax cutter. he's the guy who had to deal with the horrible high inflation of the 70s and 80s which came to end in the first years of his presidency. some of us are even aware that bill clinton used some of that model to foster prosperity in the decade and then there was a republican congress and by the way was a proponent of free trade which we think is part of the mix. however, what is generally not known or at least not remembered is what the subject of this book is about in the early 60s not only used but largely pioneered the exact same model. he came to office during a period in which growth was

reagan: yes. i have so many things there to respond to, i'm going to pick out something you said earlier. you've been all over the country repeating something that, i will admit, the press has also been repeating -- that i believed that nuclear missiles could be fired and then called back. i never, ever conceived of such a thing. i never said any such thing. in a discussion of our strategic arms negotiations, i said that submarines carrying missiles and airplanes carrying missiles were more conventional-type weapons, not as destabilizing as the land-based missiles, and that they were also weapons that -- or carriers -- that if they were sent out and there was a change, you could call them back before they had launched their missiles. but i hope that from here on you will no longer be saying that particular thing, which is absolutely false. how anyone could think that any sane person would believe you could call back a nuclear missile, i think is as ridiculous as the whole concept has been. so, tha

kennedy ronald reagan model.if the model of getting government was trying and two areas of economic policy, it's called monetary policy. both kennedy and reagan identified substantially cutting income tax rates, getting the dollar strong and stable as the specific policies that would let the private sector which is to say the real economy thrive. we need that. we need that. most of us are well aware that reagan was a tax cutter, he's the guy who had to deal with the horrible stagnation, high inflation of the 70s and 80s which came to end in the first years of his presidency. some of us are aware and correct, we've got bill clinton some of that model fostered prosperity in the decade after ronald reagan and a republican congress, clinton cut capital gains tax rates and was a proponent of re-trade which we think is part medicine. however, it is generally not known or not remembered is what the subject of this book is about that president john f. kennedy in the early 50s not only used but largely pioneered the exact

ford had been painting reagan and they face off in texas and there was a commercial that the reagan folks cut with a person who said i've been a life-long democrat, you know, but i'm going to pick ronald reagan this time in the republican caucus in texas. the funny thing is that person was in the wallace campaign in texas. there's your guy, he's a reagan democrat but started off as a wallace democrat. reagan's victory in texas gave him the boost to challenge ford. >> airs every saturday at 10:00 p.m. and sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern. you can watch all previous after words programs at booktv.org. >> professor richard gamble. when did the phrase sitting on the hill originate? >> in the gospel of matthew and made way of american history by way of speech and discourse written by the governor john back in 1630 and he wrote what became later a very famous speech called charity and gradually the phrase sitting on a hill came to describe be used by historians and others to describe america and one of the things i'm most interested in is how americans got into the habit of calling themselves a city

reagan: yes. i have so many things there to respond to, i'm going to pick out something you said earlier. you've been all over the country repeating something that, i will admit, the press has also been repeating -- that i believed that nuclear missiles could be fired and then called back. i never, ever conceived of such a thing. i never said any such thing. in a discussion of our strategic arms negotiations, i said that submarines carrying missiles and airplanes carrying missiles were more conventional-type weapons, not as destabilizing as the land-based missiles, and that they were also weapons that -- or carriers -- that if they were sent out and there was a change, you could call them back before they had launched their missiles. but i hope that from here on you will no longer be saying that particular thing, which is absolutely false. how anyone could think that any sane person would believe you could call back a nuclear missile, i think is as ridiculous as the whole concept has been. so, tha

that was true with reagan. when i was whip in the house for eight years, we met with president reagan just about every tuesday morning that congress was in session at 9:00. sometimes it was bipartisan, sometimes it was just republicans. so this trend of not communicating has just -- is a recent phenomenon. it started developing with george w. even though he tried very hard to get immigration reform. and by the way, i say to mississippians a lot of -- look, immigration is one of the big issues in this campaign. admit it. if we'd have done what we should have done in 2007, we wouldn't be here now. and immigration reform is not just about illegal immigrants, it's about legal immigrants. we've got people that want to come into america that have something to offer, can't get here. one time i had two doctors from canada that wanted to come to picayune, mississippi. you know where that is? underserved medical area. two doctors, highly qualified. you would have thought i was trying to sneak in saddam hussein. [laughter

kennedy and reagan showed proof that it can be done. now since i'd love america i believe we can get it done. we will see. that's really her story. happy to take your questions. even your criticisms. >> thank you. i have never associated kennedy's time with carlisle. i was listening to an interview with the scholar. and there's a book out about the decline of people participating in the workforce. working age who are out of the labor force. i wonder if this development that he argues is very significant weather that would in any way limit the effectiveness. >> there probably two key issues here. one is a lack of economic growth. if you want to create jobs growth. >> lower budget deficits, growth. you want to employ more people grow. there's other issues that they raised in the federal policies regarding small entitlements and other regulations and they had been a disincentive to work. that's too bad. we want to get everybody to work. i saw the same argument today. the federal reserve board. the 25 to 54% that they have gone down. were n

now, people who love ronald reagan, love this speech. honestly, people who just love american politics love this speech. this speech from ronald reagan a week before the election has come to be known as the time for choosing speech. ronald reagan delivered it as a paid ad on national tv exactly one week before american voters went to the polls in november 1964 to choose between lbj and barry gold water. >> you and i have a ran day view with destiny. preserve for our children the last best hope of man on earth or sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness. >> even if you disagree with the political philosophy, even if you disagree with the case he laid out in that speech, it's funny, going back and listening to it now, i forgotten how snarkky and snide it was. it gets talked about like it was reagan receiving wisdom on stone tablets. he was up there throwing shame and insults. regardless of what you think of reagan, regardless of what you think of that speech itself. that speech from october 1964, it will always

we will talk with the actor playing president reagan. >> reagan was the tonic this country needed. >> caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. from d.c. the factor begins right now. ♪ ♪ >>> hi, i'm bill o'reilly reporting tonight from washington. thanks for watching us. we are keeping close watch on hurricane matthew and we will have two updates on the factor this evening for you. the media, the lights, and overhyping these storms but they are dangerous but we will bring you the facts. first, the talking points memo. will a major scandal erupt in the department of justice? many americans, including this one, now believe the fix was in regarding investigations into the irs hammering some right wing groups and the clinton email fiasco. evidence mounting that the fbi did not behave properly while log at secretary clinton and her staff. there are two more articles about that today in the "wall street journal." the crux of the matter is this: >> doesn't it concern you as an investigator that your piece in the justice department decided to become immunity producing machine for many

john mashek: some republicans reagan --izing mr. mr. mondale for now claiming he disagreed privately with jimmy carter's decision to impose a grand bargain. if you ever disagreed with any decision of the reagan administration in his inner circles, and then following that up, where in your judgment does loyalty and in principle begin. ? george h.w. bush: i/o my president my judgment and then i owe him loyalty. you can't have the president of the united states out there looking over his shoulder wondering whether his vice president is going to be supporting him. mrs. ferraro has quite a few differences with vice president mondale. and i understood it when she changed her position on tuitions tax credits. they're different on bussing. she voted to extend the grain embargo. he now says that he was against it. if they win, i hope they don't, but if they win, she will have to accommodate some views, but she'll give him the same kind of loyalty that i'm giving. president reagan. one, we're not far apart on anything. two, i can walk into that o

we associate city on a hill not with kennedy but with ronald reagan. anyone who remembers the 1980s, we think of christian charity and john winthrop and city on a hill as one of ronald reagan's signature trademark taglines and he used it in more than a dozen speeches. very successful appropriation, a phrase that had belonged to the democratic party, taken taken by reagan as early as 1968, taken by a speech he gave at eisenhower college, no longer in business. it attaches city on a hill to america and then in the 1970 begins uses the phrase routinely, often at at the end of his speeches, as an inspirational model for america to live up to, this is what we are and who we are and who we are called to be. >> when we think of ronald reagan don't we think of a shining city on his hill. >> we do. >> i haven't spent much time speculating why he added shining , what we see is the five by seven card at the reagan library in california. when we look at those cards that he kept across his whole career for speech preparation, we find one card that has less than a p

reagan: no.a matter of fact, the population explosion, if you look at the actual figures, has been vastly exaggerated -- over exaggerated. as a matter of fact, there are some pretty scientific and solid figures about how much space there still is in the world and how many more people we can have. it's almost like going back to the malthusian theory, when even then they were saying that everyone would starve with the limited population they had then. but the problem of population growth is one, here, with regard to our immigration. and we have been the safety valve, whether we wanted to or not, with the illegal entry here, in mexico, where their population is increasing and they don't have an economy that can absorb them and provide the jobs. and this is what we're trying to work out, not only to protect our own borders but to have some kind of fairness and recognition of that problem. mr. newman: mr. mondale, your rebuttal? mr. mondale: one of the biggest problems today is that the countries to o

i don't know if people understood like ronald reagan, for example, if you read killing reagan, when reagan, he hung around with earl flynn. he did things that, today, would be every day all day cable news. yet, wasn't mentioned at all in the 1980 campaign. so, there are no rules now. and i think that diminishes everyone who runs for higher office. >> you know, the scrutiny is greater than ever, unquestionably. as you say, you know, president reagan, when he came into office in 1981 had to deal with, what, the morning shows, an afternoon paper, a morning paper, the network news, and was just then beginning to have to deal with nightline, which had come out of the iranian hostage crisis. you know, they were able to actually think in terms of a message of the day or a message of the week. >> but it was more than that, john. there were boundaries. look, the journalists knew that dwight highway hour had a personal indesdiscretion, they knew that jfk was a womanizer. they knew lb diswrmplet was a womanizer. they knew all of this. but they didn't report it. it wasn't. it wasn't done. now report s

if trump is thinking of referencing ronald reagan in his remarks on sunday, one of reagan's sons saysnk again. michael reagan tweeting quote, my father would not support this kind of campaign. if this is what the republican party wants, leave us reagans out. nancy would vote for hrc as in hillary rodham clinton. michael reagan reiterated that sentiment in an interview with don lemon. >> this family's name's being dropped all over the place, every single day, inferring that ronald reagan would support these things and nancy reagan would support these things, and i have to say no, they wouldn't support this kind of a campaign. not at all. not the demeaning nature of the campaign and the name calling that is in fact going on. if you want to do it, do it in somebody else's name but certainly don't do it in the reagan name. >> all right. with me is david louder, washington bureau chief for the "l.a. times" and david swirlick from "the washington post." welcome, both of you. good morning. david, will reagan's name be invoked on sunday? >> i don't know if donald trump needs to invoke reagan'

reagan for the republican nomination. you disagreed with him on such issues as the equal rights amendment, abortion, and you labeled his economic policies as voodoo. now you apparently agree with him on every issue. if you should be called upon to assume the presidency, would you follow mr. reagan's policies down the line or would you revert to some of your own ideas? bush: well, i don't think there's a great difference, mr. mashek, between my views and president reagan's. one of the reasons i think we're an effective team is that i believe firmly in his leadership. he's really turned this country around. we agree on the economic program. when we came into office, why, inflation was 21 -- 12 -- 12.5% interest was wiping out every single american were 21 1/2 percent if you can believe it. productivity was down. savings was down. there was despair. in fact, the leadership of the country told the people that there was a malaise out there. and this president turned it around and i've been with him every step of the way. and o

reagan.ut let me -- listen -- >> would you like a photo of my father? i'll send you one. >> yes, please send me one. this is what donald trump wrote in his book about your father, the art of the deal, which was co-written about tony schwartz. he says ronald reagan is another example. he's so smooth and so effective a performer that he completely won over the american people. only now nearly seven years later are people beginning to question whether there's anything beneath that smile. he also took a full-page ad out critiquing your father's foreign policy, so why all the praise towards your dad now? >> yeah, you tell me. because he's the last man standing at this point in time and the republicans want to take back -- i'd love to take back the white house but take it back in the right way, that's why i say the down ticket is very important to vote the down ticket if you want to protect yourself against hillary and some of the choices that she'll make. i mean, he is a salesman. think of it this

reagan had it. bush 41 had it. is also a generational difference, right in the reagan and bush were -- reagan was born in 1911. bush was born in 1924. bush was the last president of world war ii generation. in many ways i think the 20th century ended 8 years early with bill clinton defeating. >> that ushered in the tabloid culture that we all enjoy so much. hey, i want everybody to check out meacham's book bush the elder, well worth reading. >> thank you. >> watters is up next. is he hanging with the bikers. can't wait to see his outfit. watters is next. there are no bad suggestions here... no matter how lame they are. well said, ann. i've always admired how you just say what's in your head, without thinking. very brave. good point ted. you're living proof that looks aren't everything. thank you. welcome. so, fedex helped simplify our e-commerce business and this is not a passive aggressive environment. i just wanted to say, you guys are doing a great job. what's that supposed to mean? fedex. helping small business

reagan, arizona's secretary of state>> . >> reporter: michelle reagan, arizona's secretary of state, says it was malware meant to attack these servers holding the voter information of 4 million people. >> we had a cybersecurity team in place. >> reporter: reagan was alerted by the fbi. experts believe the russian government is to blame. what was your initial reaction? and dismay, obviously, because we have never had a worry about foreign invaders coming in and trying to mess with our confidence in our election system. >> reporter: arizona, illinois, florida, and nearly two dozen other states have seen similar scanning, probing, or breaches of their election systems. >> the russians have a different doctrine than what we do. >> reporter: for over a decade, jim lewis has visited the u.s. government on cyber attacks. >> they are using information as a way to achieve tir they don't need the red army any more. they have the internet. >> reporter: president vladimir putin and other senior russian officials have denied involvement, calling u.s. accusations nonsense. >> the biggest thing we

no, there will never be another ronald reagan or winston churchill. however, are the scenarios similar? i would argue vociferously they are right now. to the late 1970s. back then we had slow groit. we had an america that was lost in the world. we had a dangerous world. we had a crisis of confidence. we had a malaise self-described by the then president jimmy carter. we have a very similar scenario right now and we also have another outsider. we have donald trump who is saying i am ready to smash the political class. i'm ready to smash the crony capitalist system that k street has constructed in washington, d.c. and guess what? the people are rallying to that cry. so i think it's working so far and it will continue to work into november because the macro issues of prosperity and security are on our side and the status quo -- >> that's not working. what you're talking about is not the message of these debates the news every night. it's about machado, about a guy that ran the miss universe contest who wanted to be hugh hefner. it's all about his social

movement takeoff with reagan and others. and they were the l. ayers for much of that political history. would you look at evangelical politics even though ethnically there are ties the political instincts so i know something of the background is more moralistic than constitutional the conservatives were concerned about of constitution and the limits on government although they would want talented mistral evangelicalism l. looked through moral lessons. and whether that the tracks from that. and those batteries does the reference point that recognize america to allow those differences to play out. to work through constitutional measures and oftentimes those who want to go for the right thing to do. >> as of daybed a hindrance to the electoral success? >> yes in the most recent three or four elections. president bush was an odd kind of evangelical. gannett of compassionate conservatism. and they were much more ambitious of foreign policy of the united methodist church which in the protestant and baseball those are part of the m

in fact, reagan, there's a signature ad that reagan ran in 1976 when he ran against ford, and it was in texas, the important and crucial texas contest because ford had been pasting reagan for much of that race until reagan wins in north carolina, and then fay -- they face off in texas. and there was a commercial that the reagan folks cut with a person who said i've been a lifelong democrat, you know, but i'm going to pick ronald reagan this time in the republican caucus in texas. the funny thing is that person was in the wallace are campaign was the head of the wallace campaign in texas. so there's your guy. he's a reagan democrat, but he started off as a wallace democrat. and reagan's victory in texas basically gave him the boost that allowed him to go on to the convention in '76 and challenge ford. >> go to a different region, which reminds me of your talking about jfk and how west virginia and the coal mining area was so important. well, you actually -- i should point out your book is not in chronological order here. it's interesting, because you have a different, what, there's se

the number one issue of reagan. and that was signed in the east room of the white house right there. number two, that's on the inf level. on the strategic level, it started a -- on the basis of just exactly what strobe said, on the basis of what we agreed on that all night, negotiations was down to equal levels. real reductions for nuclear -- strategic nuclear weapons. okay? and this was important because every other previous arms control, the s.a.l.t. one and s.a.l.t. two had limited the growth of nuclear weapons. no one until reagan had really started to have a decline in nuclear weapons. that's why we changed s.t.a.r.t. -- he changed it, i didn't. changed s.t.a.r.t., strategic arms limitation talks, to s.a.l.t. from s.a.l.t. to s.t.a.r.t. strategic reductions talks. and it was very big move. right now, the russians have about one-fourth that they had in terms of nuclear stockpiles at the time of reykjavik. so that's the second on the strategic realm. didn't come during reagan's time. came during george herbert wa

reagan, good to have you here. welcome. >> good to be with you. trish: we're seeing a pretty big split here between the traditional conservatives and the base supporters of donald trump. in your view, has donald trump really changed the republican party forever? >> i think, yes, he has changed the republican party forever, i think the republican party has to regroup on november 9th to find out who they are. the party of trump or go back to the party of reagan. i would like to see it go back to the party of reagan. real conservatism at that point instead of going down the road of the party of trump, but i think at this point, yes, he has, in fact, changed the party. trish: you say go back to the party of reagan, and so many of his supporters are people that did support your dad. >> yeah, i know that, and i get dismayed at times when they try to equate my father to donald trump. i think i quoted -- or tweeted out a few months ago if donald trump were anything like ronald reagan or ronald reagan like donald trump, nan

reagan, will raise taxes and so will i. he won't tell you.> he was calling for mourning in america and i was calling for a root canal. >> the problem was, reagan's optimism plagued better than mondale's root canal. >> the hollywood idea that everything is fine. >> in 1976, mondale went to the white house as jimmy carter's vice president. admired as one of the most substantive vice presidents in history, he knew how the white house worked so he hoped he could wow the voters in his crucial first debate against reagan. >> when i left the dressing room where i was, walked 50 feet to the platform, that's the longest walk i ever took in my life. >> and he came out swinging. >> we've got to deal with this problem. >> reagan stumbled badly. >> the system is still where it was with regard to -- the -- with regard -- >> he seemed confused and tired. he was grabbing on to that lectern and i was very worried about him. >> even then there were whispers about alzheimer's, but mondale refused to hit reagan on his memory. >> i wouldn't do it, that's not my k

in fact reagan there's a -- signature ad that reagan ran in 1976 when he ran against ford, and it was in texas the important and crucial texas contest because reagan for much of that race until reagan wince in north carolina, and then they face off in texas. and there was a commercial that the reagan folks cult with a person who said i've been a lifelong democrat, and you know, i'm going to pick ronald reagan this time in the republican -- caucus in texas. the funny thing is that person was -- in -- in the wallace company the head of the wallace campaign in texas so they're your guy. a reagan democrat but started off as a wall with last wallace democrat and allowed him to go into the convention and challenge forward. >> there you go to a different region reminds me you're talking of jfk and coal mining area so important you should point out that your book is not in chronological area because you have a different -- what the seven parts in which you focused on particular themes, and jfk is -- and that west virginia race. is under that well -- under chapter had inflection point turning

the tagline is, re-elect ronald reagan. i said, are you kidding me that?hat is blatant, blatant and good. you may think it's corny, but let's face it, you think everything's corny, okay, but if you can get an image like that it really matters. >> ed rollins was reagan's campaign manager. >> two kinds of monitoring you make in a campaign. one is an intellectual argument and one is an emotional argument. >> when beckle ran mondale's campaign, he saw this ad. >> where's the beef? >> wendy's was trying to convince people their hamburgers had more beef. >> where's the beef? >> you were home watching tv with your girlfriend and saw this ad. >> yeah. i saw the ad. my girlfriend said to me, that reminds me of gary hart. what's he all about? all of a sudden, it clicked. >> this is not polling, just a comment from a girlfriend. >> that's right. >> you probably liked her too much. >> no, no. i didn't actually. that triggered in my mind something that made some sense, we could put on the next poll. we put it on a poll, it tested well. >> so mondale used it in a debate

newman: president reagan, your summation, please. pres. reagan: yes. my thanks to the league of women voters, to the panelists, the moderator, and to the people of kansas city for their warm hospitality and greeting. i think the american people tonight have much to be grateful for -- an economic recovery that has become expansion, freedom and, most of all, we are at peace. i am grateful for the chance to reaffirm my commitment to reduce nuclear weapons and, one day, to eliminate them entirely. the question before you comes down to this -- do you want to see america return to the policies of weakness of the last four years? or do we want to go forward, marching together, as a nation of strength and that's going to continue to be strong? we shouldn't be dwelling on the past, or even the present. the meaning of this election is the future and whether we're going to grow and provide the jobs and the opportunities for all americans and that they need. several years ago, i was given an assignment to write a letter. it was to go into a time capsule and would

reagan: no.he population explosion -- if you look at the actual figures -- has been vastly exaggerated, overexaggerated. as a matter of fact, there are some pretty scientific is and solid -- scientific and solid figures about how much space there still is in the world and how many more people we can have. it's almost like going back to the malthusian theory when even then they were saying that everyone would starve with the limited population they had then. but the problem of population growth is one here with regard to our immigration, and we have been the safety valve whether we wanted to or not with the illegal entry here. in mexico where their population is increasing and they don't

george bush had moment against ronald reagan, until in the debate in new hampshire, there was a moment where reagan looked strong. >> i am paying for this microphone. >> that moment helped change the campaign. >> some o some of them you can . >> read my lips. no new taxes. >> the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull, lipstick. >> other ones, you got to depend on your candidate seizing a moment you didn't expect to happen. >> there you go again. >> most moments so far this election have been poorly phrased comments. >> if you've got a business, you didn't build that. somebody else made that happen. >> i like being able to fire people that provide services to me. >> they'll put y'all back in chains. >> the media call those gaffes, but often the media don't know. when ed musky lost the '072 primary because he looked like he teared up defending his wife, everyone said candidates can't career, because that's week, but then in 2008 hillary clinton cried.

everett koop who was surgeon general under ronald reagan. surgeon general. and so, i went over there when i was asap my college to try to figure out life and also as ceo and that is when i started became less fundamentalism and became presbyterian. so that is somewhat. >> host: do you consider yourself an evangelical today? >> guest: i do not. but a lot of people still would classify me that way. that is one of my own objections historian if the categories that academics views are not often as malleable or subtle as they might be and i think academics should actually be more precise and becomes the label that just include everyone under the sun as opposed to liberal protestant and it just doesn't lead to that kind of clarity at times even though it's a very complicated matter trying to line groups that than what that might mean for american public life. >> host: professor hart, what was your goal with this book, "from billy graham to sarah palin: evangelicals and the betrayal of american conservatism"? >> guest: well, he was in some ways personal to put into

in the carter/reagan debates, reagan looks at carter and says, there you go again.nd the idea was, you know, there's carter sort of aggressive attacking and reagan is pristine and presidential. when you look at the history of what carter was doing, pointing out entirely accurately that reagan had a history of being against social security. that fact was completely forgotten and all people remember is the magic of reagan's demeanor. >> it's true. and if we had another political scientist, apart from you, fareed, it would be that we can't really prove that the 1980 debates changed on that but certainly there's a larger subjective feel that the campaigns can pick up, that the electorate picks up, that the media picks up, too. that it did have that mark in 1980 one week before the election. and these moments usually count when there's some kind of involuntary physical reaction on the part of the debaters that has captured the screen and that fits some preceding idea about that person. we saw it with lloyd benson and dan quayle in 1988 when he was dancing down dan quayle