first in the reagan administration and then in the democratic clinton administration when they did welfarem. it brings down the poverty rate when you spend less money on poverty programs. >> that is a distortion of what i read those charts to say. when you have a recession and a down turn people lose their jobs and they don't have an income and cost of living in many cases continue to rise over the period, david. and so the poverty rate is the worst in the depths was a recession. the poverty rate declines >> we all agree. >> we all agree on that. we have spent a lot on anti-poverty and we have cut poverty programs, except maybe the of the most recent. >>> and (talking all at once.) >> they are supporting the reagan economic policiless as a way to get the economy going. we heard him say that. >> i am not supporting reagan economics. >> we hear it. >> you are saying that the economy did better and that's why people got out of the poverty rate. it was the policies of the reagan administration and anti-welfare policy of the clinton administration. >> hang on, and also the local welfare to work

fact in many ways kind of defeated to break up the banks i'm curious in your years in the reagan administration with the head of the o.m.b. an advisor to president reagan. would that kind of thing have been tolerated. you know i think there's shades of it ok there was vigorous debate within the administration within the white house and as the deficit ballooned in i began to see we couldn't out our way towards balance i became an advocate of raising taxes to recover some of the revenue we lost in one nine hundred eighty one and of course that wasn't popular and it was a very contentious thing but it was out in the open and at the end of the day the president did sign five or six major tax increase bills ronald reagan did the republicans have totally forgot about that today but he did in one thousand nine hundred eighty three eighty four and eighty five now that's different than what i read about this and i find this very disturbing because i think that president obama has been sold down the river by his secretary of the treasury it's i think mr geithner is been a bag carrier for wall street thro

during the reagan administration was a bit on above your level below your level didn't just happen what are your thoughts well you know i obviously did know him and there's always a danger of reading back into history through the lens of current outcomes and it is true that jude when in ski was a raving wild ok and. you know he wrote things for effect. but the point i would make is that this theory did not really drive what happened in one thousand nine hundred eighty two in one thousand nine hundred three the people who helped formulate the original reagan program and i was one of them still believe in traditional republican fiscal responsibility we were scared to death of huge deficits we thought that we could bring it all together you know more defense which turned out to be in error and got out of control that we could cut taxes because the taxes had risen a lot in the seventy's simply due to inflation not for any other reason and third it was time for a thorough going review of this huge. government had built up over thirty or forty years some of those things were all appropriate t

needs in washington right now i spoke with paul craig roberts he's a columnist and a former reagan administration official who was actually assistant secretary of the treasury i asked him why the i.m.f. was willing to prescribe last why the austerity for greece when now it's coming out starting to say that austerity is the wrong thing here is what he said the trouble is the poles shoemakers in united states and europe are in the hands of the bankers and so the bankers who don't want to lose one euro or one day are using the policy of europe and united states to bail themselves out and they're getting bailed out regardless bed because to the general public in the various countries who are the cost to the national economies of the various countries you mention the basic problem so as long as those should make use of. bailing out the banks. well the rest of the economy will suffer and continue to worsen so would you argue that if greece doesn't back to fall and if i am a allows that that would be breaking the cycle that you're talking about well it's not up to the i.m.f. or whether greece defaults w

washington right now i spoke with paul craig roberts who is a columnist and also a former reagan administration official assistant secretary of the treasury mind you i asked him why the i.m.f. was warning about austerity now as we heard earlier this week on the i.m.f. has traditionally been the purse kreider of austerity well that m.f. changed his tone for europe and united states not for anybody else but then how would you respond to great because greece is part of the eurozone and the i.m.f. have first private austerity for greece right where you see the trouble is. makers and united states and europe are in the hands of the bankers and so the bankers who don't want to lose one euro or one guy. are using the policy of europe and united states to bail themselves out and they're being bailed out regardless because to the general public and the various countries or the cost to the national economies of the various countries and that's the basic problem so as long as policymakers are focused on bailing out the banks. now the rest of the economy will suffer and continue to worsen so would you argu

the problem well as they need today in washington paul craig roberts columnist and former reagan administration official is here to help us answer that question he's also it was former assistant of the treasury under secretary reich and thanks for being with us so my first question to you earlier this week it was interesting because i don't know if you saw but i am which has really been a classic proscribe or of austerity came out warning against it and promoting short term stimulus do you think that we're seeing a change of tone with what i am or. well the i.m.f. changes its tone for your united states but not for anybody else but then how would you respond to great because great as part of the article and the i.m.f. has prescribe austerity for very right well you see the trouble is that the policy makers in united states and europe are in the hands of the bankers and so the bankers who don't want to lose one euro or one dollar are using the policy of europe and united states to bail themselves out and they're being bailed out regardless of the cost to the general public and the various countr

the reagan administration was backing them. as long as the us was supporting them and nothing happened then the u.s. withdrew support almost instantly apartheid collapsed saying it's in israel's best interest and the us still allow this palestinian un membership to stay with us for thirty five years the same scenario which a murderer is now that it's been for almost forty years there's a choice between security and expansion very clear choice israel is like other states is preferred for since the early seventy's it's had a choice between security and expansion can have peace but not with expansion into the territories which incidentally is recognized to be criminal but everyone including israel. they can get away with it as long as the most powerful state in the world backs them and as long as europe goes along and europe is remarkably talented lead them out like this but they don't like to step on the opponent also the masters so they go along so you know it's the quartet has backed the united states they picked tony blair you

i worked in the reagan administration and we had unemployment and it's a given that we're in another depression, not recession, depression, so i know what really caustic media coverage looks like. obama is just getting regarded as just sort of ineffective. even jehmu says he needs new people. when outsiders james carville get rid of the the current team and put in new people. maybe it's trying to be helpful, but believe me the net take away inside the white house, we just got dissed, not help. >> the republicans are trying to get some media for their enown plan. rand paul. >> i have a message for the president, if you're for job creation, you can't be against the job creators. another message for the president, we've got a bill that will help solidify a thousand jobs in south carolina, pass it now. if you want to be in favor of jobs, pass this bill now. >> he's obviously referring to that boeing plant in south carolina that the national labor relations board is keeping shuttered for now you because they're engaged in a fight over union workers and so forth. and does he have a point a

the reagan administration was but i don't know. it was long as there were some supporting it and nothing happened in the us with the support. almost instantly part i put up there saying it's in israel's best interest and the us still allow this palestinian un membership to stay with them for thirty five years the sensor in the chamber is now that it's been for the last fourteen there's a choice between security and expansion and every color code words that israel has like other states is preferred since early so the balance let's have a choice between security and expansion of the mouthpiece but not with experiments going to perth words which incidentally is recognised criminal like everyone including israel where they can get away with it as long as the most powerful state in the world backs them and as long as you are oppose war europe it is remarkable that i don't put them out like this but they don't like to step on the tone and also the master so that it will go on so you noticed that i was practically got experience they pick

the reagan administration what i think the. lawyers in us were supporting i think or any of us was going to support it. almost instantly report approach saying it's in israel's best interest ask the u.s. still allow this palestinian un membership to say look of thirty five years since very much a mystery is now that it's been for almost forty years there's a choice between security or expansion or a clear choice israel is like the other states. since you're always sort of the balance that's how detroit has become a security expert and can have two years but not with expansion upon the earth of ours which incidentally is recognized criminal for everyone including israel so they get away with it was wrong as powerful statement world but action and as long as you were there was war in europe it was remarkable it trotwood like that was put on life to step on the pony and also the master so that it wants to it was practically a great experience that pony boy or in another part of the plot i was. going to sort of think through and we

my feeling is that in college, especially during the reagan administration, i thought that the democratic party in the united states had essentially vacated the left. and fused i think a little too much with the political right.

is there any lesson learned from your tenure in the reagan administration that could restore confidence today now? >> well, put the end to the program, different from -- problems are different than they were then but have tax reform for individual taxes, in the 1986 model. do the same thing for corporate taxes. get the spending line pointing down. probably you need to say what is your aiming point. your aiming point is the amount of revenue that the tax system would produce at high employment. that's a good point to aim at. get this regulatory moreas under some control and you're in business. >> susie: mr. spec-- secretary, thank you so much. it's been a pleasure talking with you. >> thank you. those worries about greece and a default put the brakes on wall street's weeklong rally in stocks. let's take a closer look with tonight's "market focus." investors pressed the sell button today. all of the standard & poor's sectors ended in the red. the financials, energy and material sectors were hit the hardest. the financials are already down nearly 20% this quarter. energy and materials are

the reagan administration i think. it was long as the u.s. was supporting nothing. then the us was going to support. almost instantly a part of the pull ups are saying it's in israel's best interest and asked us to allow this palestinian un membership to stay with us for thirty five years since entering the chamber and it is now that it's been for almost forty years there's a choice between security and obstruction or a clear choice that israel was like other states is preferred since the early so that means it's had a choice and a common security. can have peace but not with the expansion of the territories which incidentally is recognized to be criminal but everyone including israel where they can get away with it is one of the things that's powerful state world to accept and as long as you were there was a war in europe was remarkable because i don't like when i'm out like this but i don't like to step on the pony and also the masters so they do a lot so you know it's like i want to up as black and united states that pony boy or whatever and you know i want to co

the reagan administration was right on the. other one was the us and supporting them and nothing. then the us was going to support. a muslim split apart from the pull ups are saying it's in israel's best interest that the us still allow this palestinian un membership and say look at the first thirty five near an absolute sincerity the chamber is now that it's been for almost forty eight hours there's a choice between security and expansion or a clear choice is really what it was like other states prefer for it since i really saw the billions it's hard to us and i mean screams from the mouth piece but not with the expansion of the terrorists which incidentally is recognized by criminal what everyone including israel or they can get away with it as long as thing and most powerful state in the world backs up and as long as europe has a lot of europe it is remarkably powerful but they're not like this but they don't like to step on the particles of the master so they do a lot so you know that's the point that i was perhaps the united states they picked tony boyer and you know part of

the reagan administration was but i think. it was long as he was supporting them nothing but when the u.s. wants to support. almost instantly a part of the problems facing it's in israel's best interest and the us is told by this palestinian un membership see the full of thirty five years since very much a mystery of smell that it's been for almost forty years the choice between security and expansion are very clear to us as europe is like other states thirty three cents really so the billions it's had a choice between screwing up strengthen the mouthpiece but not with expansion of the perpetrators which incidentally is recognized to be criminal what everyone including those who are they can get away with it as long as think that's powerful statement world back then as long as europe was what europe was remarkably cowardly when art like this i don't like to step on the planet also the master so that the world wants you know just what it was back the united states to pick tony blair and . pull off the commonwealth but i might a

the reagan administration was backing them up as long as there were some support and nothing happened when the us was going to support. the most instantly of what i put out there saying it's in israel's best interest and i suspect the us still this palestinian un membership will stay with us for thirty five years since a third of the chamber is now that it's been for almost forty there's a choice between security and expansion or a clear cut which is really what it was like other states prefer to have for sums really so that means it's had a choice between security and expansion can have peace but not with experience i don't care if the others which incidentally is recognized to be criminal but everyone including israel they can get away with it as long as thing the most powerful state were back on as long as you were there was war in europe it was remarkable that clarke let them out like that but they don't like to step on the point also the master so they go along so that you know that i was back in the united states pony club they are in another part of the commonwealth him but the

my feeling is that in college, especially during the reagan administration, i thought that the democraticarty in the united states had essentially vacated the left. and fused i think a little too much with the political right. there had n. my opinion, been insufficient advocacy for people who were left of center. and so that reality, coupled with the fact of the growing environmental crisis and denial that this country was going through and in seeing the inspirational movement of the green party's blossoming in europe, especially germany, i went to germany in the late 1980's. i spent time with the green party of germany in the parliament over there, learned everything i possibly could. came back to california. i was 1 of 20 people who co-founded the green party here in california. i have been a member of the green party, co-founder, for about 20 years and then less than two years ago i decided it was time for me to shift directions and i became a democrat. >> looking back a few years to your campaign for supervisor, what lessons did you learn from that experience? was there anything that

the reagan administration was backing them up as long as they were supporting them nothing but the us withdrew support. almost instantly a prototype put up so they say it's in israel's best interest and the us still allow this palestinian un membership a state worker for thirty five years the sensory chambers know that it's for them for us for good there's a choice between security and expansion and very clear choice that israel is unlike other states it's preferred for since the early seventy's it's had a choice between security and expansion kind of peace but not with expansion of the perth areas which incidentally is recognised criminal but everyone including israel so they get away with it as long as things of powerful state in the world backs up and as long as you are because we want europeans remarkable that cowardly but not like this but i don't like to step on the point also the master so they go along so that you know it's the thought that has backed it up streets that torn it boy or you know off the top of him but then i might as well stick to work through that for him the b

work on federal budgeting through one thousand nine hundred five for after a few years in the reagan administration stopped and turned against the promise of reagan's fiscal policies even authored a book on why the reagan revolution failed last night in fact he explained why. once we got into the heat of politics it came unstuck the defense budget got way too big the pentagon got out of control and unfortunately ronald reagan was unwilling to discipline the pentagon and he aided big government but stopped at the potomac river secondly when we passed the tax cut in order to pass it we had to put in every kind of ornament and special interest gimmick and tax break in loophole imaginable there was almost like a feeding frenzy on capitol hill and so the tax bill ended up being forty percent bigger than we had intended as the deficit balloon i began to see we couldn't get our way towards balance i became an advocate of raising taxes to recover some of the revenue we lost in one nine hundred eighty one and so once you're called in with this observation about david stockman is appearance on our show. it g

oberstar: but even a decade after it was enacted, the reagan administration came in and cut the grant program to a loan program. and funding diminished over a period of time. now, we still have 1/3 or more of the nation's streams and lakes that don't meet the standards of the clean water act. we have to advance the cause. that is the big challenge ahead of us. you just don't think of raw sewage in waterways in a developed country, and yet, that's what we have, and not just in pittsburgh, but all over. narrator: pittsburgh is situated at the confluence of the allegheny, monongahela, and ohio rivers. these three rivers are vital for industry, recreation, and drinking water. and each year, billions of gallons of combined sewer overflows discharge directly into those rivers. hecht: we're now having to face the consequences of the choice that was made to put in combined sewer systems. narrator: in 1994, the government adopted a combined sewer overflow policy to reduce csos nationwide. cities with combined sewer overflows now face an enforcement action called a consent decree. under a conse

that was former reagan administration official and columnist paul craig roberts. all right well precious metals are in demand as we've seen with gold and metals are about the only thing and demand in the decaying city of detroit michigan it's a city where president obama spent labor day yesterday speaking to thousands of auto workers and union members and there is good news out of there to an extent some of those automakers that were bailed out a few years ago they're actually reporting profits one of the major companies of course ford motor company and guess what ford just announced it will invest around one billion dollars to build a new vehicle manufacturing an engine plant but there is a catch a new plant which will create about five thousand jobs is in india are to correspondent more important i was recently in detroit and takes a unique look at what's going on there in reaction to the news of these types of stories as well as the surge in scraps take a look. this was once a city that symbolized america's innovation and manufacturing money. but today detroit

was w, clinton administration t reagan administration? istrations have been an old boys club to some extent. >> wouldn't you argue that all of them have been. kind of, yeah. they don't change that much. >> it is compared to what proposition. if we are going to be fair we have to put it in context. this is the president that appointed two women to the supreme court. that is relevant in the criticism as well. there is clearly, we are always in the process of forming a more perfect union. >> larry somers, one of the top economic advisers to the president who is gone. he gets a lot of play in the book. he is quoted as telling the former head of the o and b we are home alone. there's no adult in charge. so both of these guys are gone to be fair but economics, it's number one issue, do we think this is going to undermine the president's ability to bring us out of the recession? do we think he has the right team in place? >> it will have no effect on the economy in a larger sense. it may have a impact on ron suskind's. but some points to keep in

i have been through five republican administrations starting with eisenhower and also the reagan administration partip of the house leadership's allies tried to cover all of that period of time but there is enough there he has tried to make a living ridingt articles about me. [laughter] d >> thank you for having us. just to give you an idea i will start with questions about 9/11 specifically and ask youw y about your personal views because you like to put yourself on the couch. public self reflection. [laughter] then to talk about a number som of different ways and the policies emanating from 9/11 and try to fill in the gapsav blocking the interviews and you have done and the questions i have remaining o fed we will throw it open four additional questions that will probably be much better than mine.or the first place i thought we would start the morning of 9/11. i would be interested to know when you first knew weir were under attack. w not hear about a but when did you know, we were under attack and what we're first thoughts?l, >> i was in my office of the west wing when my secretary called to

reagan and h.w. bush administrations. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >>> house minority leader nancy pelosi says that you can forget what you read in the "new york times" this morning, democrats really are solidly behind president obama's jobs plan. enthusiastically behind it. the importance of keeping that image of unity up is next. >>> and later, the republican party's obsession with donald trump. now it's texas governor rick perry who is paying homage to trump for some reason that jonathan capehart's going to >>> he sends members of his >>> he sends members of his policy and re-election team to capitol hill today to get all democrats on board to fight for his bill. this as the white house works to increase the pressure on speaker boehner. >>> and later, savannah guthrie's exclusive interview with author joe mcguinness, the man who moved next door to sarah palin while writing a book about her. you will learn more about palin's future plans. >>> while the president was out in ohio insisting over and over

reagan and h.w. bush administrations. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >>> house minority leader nancy pelosi say obama's jobs plan. enthusiastically behind it. the importance of keeping that image of unity up is next. >>> and later, the republican party's obsession with donald trump. now it's texas governor rick perry who is paying homage to trump for some reason that jonathan capehart's going to have to explain to us. [ male announcer ] this is the network. a network of possibilities. excuse me? my grandfather was born in this village. [ cellphone translating ] [ male announcer ] in here, everyone speaks the same language. ♪ in here, forklifts drive themselves. ♪ look at the map. okay. [ male announcer ] in here, friends leave you messages written in the air. that's it right there. [ male announcer ] it's the at&t network. and what's possible in here is almost impossible to say. she won't eat eggs without hot sauce. she has kind of funny looking toes. she's always touching my hair. and she does this danci

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bizarre world of no regrets, here's one rekbrgret dick cheney should ha his comb-over from the reagan administration weird for normal people at the end of their life, they spend more time with their grandkids, they are philanthropic, they might give their extra money to charity. not these narcissists, they're just crazy, crazy, crazy out there thumping around. "i have nothing to regret." a friend of mine tweeted today it's torture unless both people enjoy doing it. >> and condi rice said she didn't like her integrity being attacked. >> cheney attacked just about everybody, and he really had to, because honestly, if you noticed, he really never told any stories. he never told the storiesç we wanted to know like how much did haliburton make after they engaged us in a war that cost 500,000 american lives or lives in afghanistan? what are you talking about with that duck blind supreme court judge? what did you say to that judge when you had that judge rule for you that was clearly no precedent at all, when he covered up what happened between closed doors when he met with the energy industry? there are

you spent 25 years promoting democracy from the reagan administration onwards.b world it's not working out. >> of course. we all have to worry as we watch islamist groups and other extremist groups come out and try to make their case. the anti-dote has to be democra democracy. it has to be to make the argument this is a dead end. this is wrong. this is not the kind of islam we want in this country whether it's egypt or libya. we found this out in the arab spring. suppression will not work forever. there's got to be an argument within the islamic world, particularly the arab world about what societies they want. it will be a bumpy ride. during this bumpy ride we have to do things like help protect our ally in israel from what may be the kind of thing we are seeing in turkey which is troublemaking. this is a reminder, not about palestine. egyptians have had several wars with israel. egyptians have had a negative view but nothing to do with palestine. the notion that if you improve conditions on the ground in the west bank, egyptians will say it's fine. this is a l

why -- you spent 25 years promoting democracy everywhere from the reagan administration downward.- you must be worried in the arab world it's not working out? >> of course i worry. we all have to worry as we watch islamist groups and extremist groups come out from under and try to make their case. but the ante dote has to be democracy too. the ante dote has to be to make the argument, not for us, for people in those countries, to make the argument this is a dead end. this is wrong. this is not the kind of islam we want in this country. whether it's egypt or libya. we cannot ultimately, i think we found this out in the arab spring, suppression will not work forever. there's got to be an argument within the islamic world, particularly within the arab world, about what kind of societies they want. it will be a bumpy rite ride. we're going to need to do things like help protect our ally in israel from what may be the kind of thing we're seeing in turkey which is just trouble making. but this is a reminder, by the way, this is not about palestine, egyptians have had several wars with i

you got to go back to the reagan administration to see a situation that's been so difficult for thiss the problem, what solutions are being discussed, or are we not discussing race specific solutions and that's a problem? >> first of all, we're not discussing race specific solutions. do understand there's a common phrase used that when america gets a cold black america gets pneumonia. so whenever there's an economic downturn, folks who are at the lower end are always impacted. first of all, when you talk about black men, you have to tie the job situation to education. and so when you talk about detroit and chicago and other cities where you have 25, 35, 40% of black men graduating from high school, what that means sue have people who are not even -- not even a having high school diplomas where they are in a position looking at lower wage jobs important,ly customer service jobs or opting for jobs in pharmaceuticals also known as being drug dealers involved in crime or whatever. folks absolutely out of the marketplace. so education is a direct correlation. but, when we also study the s

remember, this month in the reagan administration, september of 1983 we created a million 100,000 new jobs. obama's socialist policies, class warfare and bureaucratic socialism we created zero in august. i believe with leadership we can balance the budget. we went from $2.2 trillion projeblghted deficit over a decade to $2.7 trillion projected surplus when i left. it is doable. it takes real leadership. >> thank you, megyn. the next question is for all of the candidates. comes to us from atlanta, georgia, on the topic of education. >> i'm a fellow lawman from atlanta georgia. i taught in both public and private schools and now as a substitute teacher. i see administrators more focused on federal mandates retaining funding, trying not to get sued while the teachers are jumping through hoops trying to serve up a one size fits all education for students. what as president would you seriously do about what i consider a massive overreach of big government into the classroom? thank you. >> that topic is for all candidates. 30 seconds each, please. governor johnson? >> i'm promising to submi

worked closely with the fifth, the reagan administration, as part of the house republican leadership so i try to cover all of that period of time, and obviously there's a lot we had to leave out, but there's enough there that steve is trying to make a living writing articles about me. so, i'm going to turn it over to him. >> excellent. thank you, and thanks to danny and aei for having us, just to give you an idea what i thought i would do this morning, i'm going to start with questions about 9/11 specifically and push you in particular about your personal views on these things, because i know you love to put yourself on the couch like that. public self-reflection. and then i'm going to go and talk about a number of different ways in which the policies that emanated from 9/11 that you, i think in large part helped drive, and try to fill in some gaps. i spent a lot of time looking at the interviews you've done since the book came out. i read it now twice. and some questions i have remaining for you. so, i think that's how i'd like to proceed, and then as danny mentioned, we'll throw it