during the whole of the reagan administration, such thinking was pie in the sky. believed singularly by ronald reagan, we policy wonks, the real soviet experts, we knew better. but we were wrong. i remember telling president reagan one time, or three times, in fact, that i said, "mr. president, you know, since 1917 some 35 countries have gone from capitalism to communism. not one country has ever gone from communism to capitalism. and it's unlikely that it's going to happen anytime soon". he looked at me, shook that head of his in his wonderful way, said, "thank you, ken. that's very interesting. thank you, ken". and then went on to say it again a few minutes later. for ronald reagan to believe that we could and would win the cold war and fairly soon, that idiosyncratic view is more than just, as shakespeare would say, passing strange or of academic for it had real policy consequences then. consequences that none of us, including ronald reagan, could ever imagine. here's how. if you took the then conventional and quite convincing view that the u.s.-soviet rivalry w

throughout the reagan administration and before came the argument that arms control was beneficial to u.s. intelligence gathering. here too, i was a bit skeptical. arms control on balance probably hurt our overall intelligence gathering. for one thing, the soviets never revealed anything they didn't want revealed. either in arms control or with the weapons systems to stay outside where we could photograph them, in clear view of our satellites. at times, they didn't want us to reveal much of anything. >> there's a wonderful episode in salt i, where ambassador gerald smith at the beginning of the salt talks, he goes and he tells the soviet counter part or the soviet delegation that he is going to now tell the number of american missiles in a certain category and the number of soviet missiles in that category. and before he does, the head of the soviet delegation stops and he says, "ambassador smith, can i talk to you for a minute?" the two delegations break. and he says, "ambassador smith, members of my delegation, the soviet delegation, are not cleared to hear the number of soviet miss

and then from the reagan administration for the last thirty years productivity continue to rise wages went completely flat for working people and that gap was filled in by increasing debt for working people and increasing wealth for those who owned the for the productivity the c.e.o.'s the big corporations and are you suggesting that that is that was the essence of what marx was prophesied in capital. he certainly predicted exactly exactly that sort of development and so it's quite a strong confirmation and it's interesting people like hyman minsky who were influenced by marx were the ones who predicted the speculation and predicted also the eventual collapse also the indian marxist economist nyc who's just been speaking at columbia university last night here in new york city he was analyzing this realisation crisis which here in the united states also takes the form of the dampening of demand the underpayment of workers and also of considerable threats for example to their pensions and that really is one of the things i was focusing on in my book on a joke i was sharing about how act

the reagan administration's concept of a family impact statement frail, frail approximation. the proper role to the played by such a shared national identity. but it did not go far enough. what language about family and community might be fit for 21st century americans? these qualities at least. affirmation of the family is the natural and irreplaceable human community. one defined as a man and woman living in marriage for the purposes of propagating and rearing children, sharing int macy and resources and conserving lineage, property and tradition. recognition that men and women should be equal in legal, political and property rights, but are different in reproductive, economic and social functions. differences ought to be accommodated in policy and law. encouragement for the industrialization and return of vital functions to the family circle, with home schooling as the most practical and successful recent motto. respect for the ancient and still most honorable skills of housewivering and history and a vital economy. celebration of the birth of new babies and cultural and p

the murder rate had gone up consistently through the reagan administration clinton came into office started falling and has been falling ever since we are safer than we've ever been but fear still sounds and fear combined of the shoot first laws allows people like george zimmerman who had a history of calling nine eleven over forty times in various figures and a semiautomatic pistol allows them to. here's what it sounded like. one screaming outcry when you don't know why i don't know why. i don't. want to play. if you were hurt. i can't stand i don't want to go out there on the prime. yeah i know yeah but if you're. right there's gunshots. he said gunshots yet. the state has now empowered a grand jury to look into the case but only because of the national publicity how many more kids actually minority kids are going to be murdered by frightened men like zimmerman before these laws that give killers immunity are hispanic. coming up and sides daily take there are two countries one is focused on the future and is investing heavily on the other is attached to the past unable to make the

the murder rate it going up consistently through the reagan administration clinton came into office started falling in his been falling ever since we are safer than we've ever been but fear still solace and fear combined the shoot first laws allows people like george zimmerman who had a history of calling nine eleven over forty times at various figures and a semiautomatic pistol allows them to kill both here's what it sounded like. i'm screaming at pride and i need don't know why i don't know or. i don't know their own. son from a place that if he were hurt. i can't think i don't want to go out there on a car. you can out here but if. there's gunshots. it's a gunshot i guess i'm the state has now empowered a grand jury to look into the case but only because the national public how many more kids particularly minority kids are going to have been murdered by frightened men like summer before these laws that give killers in the energy or the spam. mitt romney is just like you and me really is he's just like you and me i mean don't we all have friends who own nascar teams know. well we

negotiate leads to more justification to go to war rarely respect dr paul craig roberts former reagan administration official and asked them if they go she shows are likely to work out take a listen what do they negotiate. it's not clear what iran is is not. the combined intelligence estimate of united states government that is now them suspended all sixteen intelligence agencies is that iran abandon its nuclear weapons program i think they said in two thousand and three that would be man years ago. and they've had the international atomic energy agency inspectors in the country and they can still they report that there's no diversion of a uranium from the energy program to weapons so what the united states is demanding is that iran give up its rights as a signatory to the nonproliferation treaty if you sign a nonproliferation treaty and agree to inspectors you are you have the right to have nuclear energy and the united states is insisting and iran alone among all of the other countries that have signed this treaty has to be excluded from having nuclear energy what carl's united states says at some

during the republican administrations of eisenhower nixon ford and even the beginning of the reagan administration the budget ensures that capital gains are once again taxes ordinary income so people like mitt romney will pay the same tax rate as middle class americans it cuts down high frequency robot trading on wall street by knocking up my mantle speculation tax and it closes corporate tax loopholes and ends corporate welfare in the form of taxpayer subsidies for transnational oil corporations like exxon mobil that are and forty one billion dollars in profits last year yet paid only thirteen percent in taxes a number that would make even mitt romney jealous. and it cuts the bloated defense budget but the progressive budget isn't just about closing the budget deficit it's about investing in the nation's future it i think lose a two point nine trillion dollar investment in our infrastructure to put millions of americans back to work rebuilding our roads modernizing our schools and greening our economy and also keep social security solvent for the future by getting rid of that cap that allows weal

reagan. >> nixon administration, i think. did you ever meet john olin? how does this work and what did they expect you to do? >> i probably had to have a certain point of view. what bill simon said, he was in charge. he said, they won't give george mason two or three million dollars nad le and let you livef the income. you may die or move, and they'll hire a marxist in your place. what we do, is keep the endowment at the olin foundation. we send you the income each year. to the base at george mason university. all that we want from you is an address. one of my friends, i was explaining this to one of my colleagues and he said, this is not really a chair, this is a wheelchair. it goes wherever you go. i was a free-market person, a free-market economist and they were very satisfied with me. >> unlike most foundations, this shutdown? >> bill simon told me, he said that old man olin made him promise that the people he appointed to the board of directors, that the foundation would not exist beyond the lives of the people that he put in charge. and the reason

you know, i can recall those wonderful days during the reagan administration when he had that look, you know you were to get to work. and so i will get down to business. the fact of the matter is is that i think the people of the united states, if they were quizzed about the meaning of those provisions, would say oh, we see what they mean. yes. they're our principle officers and inferior officers. the principle officers need to be appointed with the participation of the senate. the inferior officers do not. and the office -- the offices other than those provided for in the constitution are determined by the legislation. and, yes, oh, yes, there's a provision that makes much sense. you know, you're not going to be there all of the time. joseph story said, look, there's really only two choices here. either the senate is going to be in session all the time to take the president's nominees and to consider them. or the president is going to be -- being able to take advantage of the recess appointments clause for purposes of getting some help to take care that the laws are faithfully executed

totally missed the reagan administration's very crafty strategy toward the soviet union, even before gorbachev came to power, and the totally missed the response of the reagan administration to gorbachev, and so huge things were happening around him that he was blind to, and that was a tragedy, because he really did see in the end the end of the cold war, not as a vindication but itself as a tragedy, and i was close enough to him at this point, we had long conversations. look what is happening, and he was, no, no, no, it's just going to be worse. and then i call him, and he said it's the teenagers lusting over west berlin. and part of what me meant here was that he had become so terrified by the nuclear danger that any rocking of the boat, any challenging of the status quo, terrified him, and that was the basis of his failure to understand reagan. in some ways what reagan did was risky and there were dangers. on the other hand it was reagan who said, as kennan said 40 years before, the cold war does not have to be permanent. there are ways to end it. and the tragedy is that george to

the reagan administration's executive order, the one for the family impact statement. i don't believe that's been reinstated by the bush administration. has it, or what has been going on with that? and i was also wondering, what would you recommend a federal government could do? what can the president do? what can be done on the federal level, if an executive order like that is not strong enough to deal with this kind of thing? what more could be -- >> to my knowledge, it's not been reinstated. does anyone know any different? i think we would have heard about it if it was. so no, it has not been reinstated. certainly it could be, but i think if it was, it should be strengthened. in fact, in the book, i talk about some of its weaknesses. and what then has to happen after that? el with, heads have to roll if it's not done right. and if it's not done. and that never happened. under the reagan and the bush administration, certainly not under the clinton administration. the people just didn't do it. or if they did, it was a routine, quickly forgotten thing. and they -- they

alike have supported it, one conservative former solicitor general, charles freed from the reagan administrationwent so far as to say he would eat his kangaroo skin hat if it was found nonconstitutional. >> it is compelling individuals to buy something. and if they don't, they broke the law. >> it is absolutely compelling individuals to buy health insurance. if they don't, they have to pay a fine. and this is something which is well within my understanding and most lawyers' understanding, well wind the power of the commerce clause of the constitution which says the government has the right to regulate interstate commerce. how can 17% of our economy not affect interstate commerce? this is constitutional. this individual mandate will not affect most people. if you already have health insurance you're not affected. many individuals are exempt from the mandate. if you live below the poverty line or if you cannot afford to get health insurance for less than 8% of your income you're exempt. if you are affected by the individual mandate, then you would have to pay a penalty. either have to have health

president obama's first term broke records going all the way back to the george washington administration reagan did not have to deal with crazies like this at all and because of that since the government isn't properly playing its role as the employer and spender of last resort the economy isn't improving at the pace that it needs to the point here is this our economy desperately needs republicans to put politics aside and work with president obama and democrats to pass a common sense economic stimulus will put millions of americans back to work that doesn't mean republicans have to act like a socialist or even spend money like drunken sailors all that means is the republicans have to act like reagan and show the same respect to the office of the presidency the democrats gave reagan thirty years ago now there was a should start acting like the party of reagan that they claim to be instead of acting like the party of crashing the economy to make obama a one term president that's it for the big picture tonight see tomorrow. for. the few minutes. past. the. hour.

tanked this is unemployment is the employment rate during the reagan and first term of the reagan administration it was the worst recession since the great depression two years into his first term unemployment spiked above ten percent adding almost eleven percent similarly following george w. bush's tax cuts for the rich president obama's first term was crippled by unemployment and a tanking economy even worse than reagan's in terms of time and although unemployment under obama never hit as i point is reagan's it lasted longer and see it out here during the end of reagan's first four years in office the unemployment rate had dropped much quicker than it has under president obama's so why did reagan's economy improve so much faster than obama's the emperor answer is simple and predictable it was massive government spending with borrowed money and the help of a mixed congress democrats controlling the house republicans control in the senate just like the day only reversed reagan quickly expanded the size of government during his first term with the new investments mostly in the military he increas

the soviet union before gorbachev came to power, and he totally missed the response of the reagan administration to gorbachev so things were happening around him, and there was a tragedy because you really did see in the end of the cold war not as an indication, but it felt i was close enough to him at this point that we had long conversations about this i would say look what is happening and he would say no, no. it's going to be worse. it's going to be worse. the berlin wall comes in, i call him and i congratulate him and he says as the teenagers in east berlin are going after -- >> host: i hope to put that in the book. >> guest: part of what he meant is that he had become so terrified by the nuclear danger that any rocking of the boat, in the challenging of the status quo to fight him and the was the basis of his failure to understand. and of course in some ways it was risky and we know that there were dangers in that period but on the other hand was ronald reagan who said as he had said years before that it doesn't have to be permanent. there are ways to end it. let's find what they are. and

see anything good about what was happening in american foreign policy, totally missed the reagan administrations really very crafty strategy toward the soviet union even 44 or burchett came to power in the totally missed the response of the reagan administration to gorbachev. and so, huge things were happening around him that he was lines to and that was a tragedy because he really did see in the end the end of the cold war not as a vindication but it self a tragedy. i was close enough to him at this point that we had long conversations about it. i would say look what's happening and he would say no, no, it's going to be worse. when the berlin wall comes down. i called him and i congratulate him and he says, it's just for teenagers and east berlin after the -- of west berlin. part of what he meant here was that he had become so terrified by the nuclear danger that any rocking of the boat, and a challenging of the status quo terrified him and that was the basis of his failure to understand. of course in some ways we know they're worse and dangers in that period are going the other hand it was rea

this started under the reagan administration and continued under the clinton administration when he passed a bill that allowed the military to pass on weapons to police departments across the country. and since 1994, 1 million weapons have been passed on to police forces to use on u.s. citizens. so look this up. it's fascinating information. next week, we're doing a show about how the u.s. conference of bishops got so powerful. and why these men are dominating the conversation about birth control. and why are we debating birth control in the year 2012? we're also discussing the lack of regulation on imported food, and we're doing a show about occupy the prisons. this is happening this monday at san quentin. they're busing in a number of people from ash the state to san quentin. and you can find information about this action online. so what i try to do on the show is really talk about solutions, because i mean, the fact is, we know what we need to do, right? we know the solutions. it's just there's no political will. and what i hope to accomplish tonight is to really get past the sort of ca

increase in offensive nuclear capacity arms and it was forced to back down and fight of the reagan administration has forced them to talk to the rhetoric of the peace movement and in order to continue with their programs that's we're out of the store we're just wonderful and we're not playing tackle any woman who richest going to be able to eliminate nuclear weapons if you measured the peace movement by the number of people who march in one thousand nine hundred to the one million marched and central park in new york at the height of the cold war. last year there were forty thousand who marched at the heat review conference of the nonproliferation treaty well the big difference in numbers true. last it's. significantly but the lesson there are some clear. treatable things i want to. say the importance of nuclear proliferation the very latest. there even though we're concerned with what a surprise to discover a fifteen year old concerned by the outcome of the nonproliferation treaty is name is rafael even though. i'd just like to say that you and your speeches right now sir let me ask. you to. mak

produce an offensive nuclear capacities that it was forced to back down and right now the reagan administration was forced to adopt the rhetoric of the peace movement and already continue with their programs and that's where a little star wars comes from and we're not playing tag anyone are just going to eliminate nuclear weapons if you measured the peace movement by the number of people who march in one thousand nine hundred two their one million marched and central park and new york at the height of the cold war. last year there were forty thousand who marched at the review conference of the nonproliferation treaty well the big difference in numbers true peace for the more steps we're going to. significantly but the lesson there is very clear. political movement can change or. we're so nuclear proliferation is very much. aware or concerned what a surprise to discover a fifteen year old concerned by the outcome of the nonproliferation treaty is name is rafael even though. i'd just like to say that to you in your speech is now serving the basic. right to. make a. right spirit and once i actuall

increase in our fancy of nuclear capacity was and it was forced to back down and threat of the reagan administration was forced to topped the rhetoric hopefully he's going to form in order to continue with other programs that's where stormwater strength from and we're not planning to attack anyone or interest but until i live in a nuclear weapons if you measured the peace movement by the number of people who march in one thousand nine hundred two there were one million marched in central park in new york at the height of the cold war. last year there were forty thousand who marched up to the review conference of the nonproliferation treaty well the big difference in numbers true. was organization total would significantly up the list and there are very clear. non violent. regional things i want to. say the importance of nuclear proliferation the very first go to one thousand or even aware or concerned with what a surprise to discover a fifteen year old concerned by the outcome of the nonproliferation treaty is name is rafael even though. i'd just like to say that the view in your speech is right now

[video clip] >> well, i would say that the reagan administration has not delivered on its campaign promises. things like dismantling the department of education, getting rid of the department of energy, cutting down government spending. clearly, government spending is far more than when reagan took office. taxes are greater than. so, in terms of performance, in terms of delivering on campaign promises in 1980 i think that it is indeed a failure in that a sense. now, it's a success in another sense. namely that i think that the level of debate has been raised in our country on a whole range of issues. a key one is the legitimate role of government in a free society. >> that was a call-in show here, middle of the -- end of the reagan administration. what's your reaction when you hear that today? >> well, i -- there's not much to change. i think that the -- we still need to ask or settle, you know, what is the legitimate role of government in a free society? and a legitimate role of government in a free society is not that of government taking what belongs to one american and giving it o anoth

beginning to discuss his childhood here in washington d.c., his work in the nixon and reagan administration and his present -- presidential campaign. this is about an hour and 10 minutes. >> thank you very much for coming. you are not here to see me though, and i'm cool with that. a big part of my marketing is to choose someone who i knew would do something really controversial and of course photographers would turn out in l.a. had to say was "msnbc"'s loss is my gain. [laughter] [applause] the first question people usually ask me about this book is way up growth this? i'm english and not american. why would i be drawn to write about pat buchanan? and the answer to that, the answer is fairly simply. i'm passionately in love with america. is a very exciting dynamic country and where the revolution has been ruling on for 300 years. it's had a few problems lately but i think it's still grown in the way i always phrase it as britain is like my crusty old wife. america is my young mistress. [laughter] although i see much of my mistress for financial reasons always draws me back to my wife. but t

considering military action saying america has a better chance of striking iran successfully former reagan administration official dr craig roberts has made all this ramped up war without a recall tensions have forgotten there's no actual proof iran is seeking to build a bomb. it's not clear yet a red is used. the combined intelligence estimate of united states government that is the genetics of kenya in the wall sixteen intelligence agencies is that iran abandoned its nuclear weapons program on tape they said in two thousand and three that would be nineteen years ago when the united states has demanded is that in red give up its rights as a signature or to the nonproliferation treaty if you send a nonproliferation treaty in agree to inspectors you or you have the right to. nuclear energy and the united states is insisting that iran has to be excluded from having your community with carl's united states says it's some time iran might decide to make a bomb so the whole thing is just made up this contrived we've got through for nuclear war i'm kind of curious they didn't sound the treaty they didn't pull i

the records of the reagan administration now are not easily -- they're not open to the public. there are many disturbing trends that are shutting down access to the public's right to get information. and that all is going to hurt our ability to sustain a healthy democracy. and the only way to fight it is for every individual to speak out when they see something that doesn't seem to be proper. and that could -- every individual has individual talents. for some people, it means meeting with our elected officials and having dialogues with them. for other people, it could mean protesting in the streets. peaceful protests. for others, it could be writing books, writing op-eds, or speaking, you know, on the radio. everyone has their own unique talents. but i'm a firm believer of grass roots activism. and the -- you know -- and kind of making things happen from the bottom-up. so -- and i really do believe one person can make a tremendous amount of difference. one idea, one person. all significant change, i think, often comes from often one idea. and one person's decision to act agains

negotiate lead to more justification to go to war to help answer this dr paul craig roberts former reagan administration official joins me now welcome paul nice to have you on. the get go haitians are on the table are you optimistic that this is going to work what are they negotiating about this next letter read as is done in the combative tazer estimator united states government that is a net and supreme leader in the war sixteen intelligence agencies is there an abandoned nuclear weapons program i think they said in two thousand and three that would be known years ago. and they even had the international atomic energy agency inspectors in the country and they consistently report that there's a need to there isn't. uranium from the energy to weapons ship there to the united states and its command. is that a rare give up its rights as a signatory to the nonproliferation treaty if you send the nonproliferation treaty and agree to inspectors you are you have the right to have you can energy and the united states is insisting that a rare alone among all the other countries that have signed this treaty has

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just get you guys to respond this is you know from after world war two right up until the reagan administration manufacture in the united states we had manufacturing policy and this is the banking industry the finance industry and then all of a sudden in the eighty's they flipped and manufacturing went into a total nosedive and finance now is over twenty one percent in fact i think it's up to around twenty four percent now and in manufacturing now is below ten percent this is two thousand and nine numbers this is the destruction of an economy where you can have an economy where you don't know it coming least lack of political will to make sure that our manufacturing component our culture our society where the heck you are connoting is preserved and so one there's been a lack of investment let them try to pursue this is the evolution even though i disagree is that it is unable to actually write this year she was sorry was you know many in the absence of them no i haven't said they're doing that look what government does is a government making that's why we have fayemi and freddie and laurie hund

reporting that we do this happened to me when i covered the civil war in el salvador under the reagan administration or even in the balkans or the middle east they tend to shoot the messenger or attempt to shoot the messenger and i have been you know in. dinner at the homes of dr n.p.c. a new user on two of the leaders of hamas who were later killed by the israelis in targeted assassinations and as you know again as you said there is no exemption for journalists because of the amorphous nature of the language it is a very short step for those of us who do have direct contact with these individuals and with these groups to be branded as accomplices and we are seen now with the use of the espionage act on the part of the obama administration six cases on and since the espionage act was passed in one thousand nine hundred woodrow wilson between then and the obama administration only three cases only were only three uses of it none of those cases went to the supreme court certainly one of the cases maybe bradley manning maybe sterling maybe another will reach the supreme court i think it's widely assume

honesty and i think remember the terminator movies they came during the military buildup of the reagan administration there was a lot of concern about computers and what they would do as far as war and technology are concerned and so a lot of the focus has been on that but i think what the real concern should be the whole sky their concern concern should be these machines becoming too big to fail and then basically waging war on the united states through the financial markets seeing these guys locked riveted by do hostile takeovers of companies so i mean this is this is a real danger of because a real threat you know so much bigger threat then the military. banking of this whole complex and these machines you're merging i mean. you know nothing could be more than that you know you know i think i might disagree with you because first that was my not exactly with this but i was thinking you know this is concerning this is kind of like the high frequency trading now going into assessing risk and regulations and all about but then i got to thinking this computer has all of these things that are valuable