but i think thathe question you broach, which is reay an importt one: can traditional media this kind of reporting still? i think the ansr is no. and think that traditional medihas failed, actually, historically to donough in foreign coverage. >> how did you get to darfur how do you psuade people, or did they persuade you,hat that was thstory to go to? spend the time? spend e money? >> iitched a fit. >> [laughter] >> share it withs. >> i did. no, i did. younow, i--i've--throughout my time at nbc news, i have made stro arguments for stories. was furious at the coveragin bosnia, that we hanot done enough, and so i went to mboss and made a strong statemt, and i ended up actuay going. >> wt did you say that made--made t case? >> "i believe this might b genode. the united states is calling it genocide. whave a moral obligation as urnalists and even broader as ericans to understand what's gog on there. inow it's tough to get in darfur, almost impossible, but weust go." so i made the argunt. >> charles, when she got tgo to darfushe had the cameras, she had a network,he got to llions of peopl

aresident who himself a writer, who res about the arts, they go tohe theatre, they go museums they reayaged withrts. clearly this is president who has different view of the arts than previous adminirations and i waed to be a part of that. >> bwn: and what is it you wa to do? >> what is it thatas been lacking in the government'role peaps vis-a-vis the arts that you ink you could step in and lp well, i think the arts have always been a kindf step child in ts country, a target for some people, somethingiewed as an extrar an add on for hers. something t essential. i beeve arts are essential. it's a fundamental parof who we are as man beings. it'serribly important and i felt that this was may one way i could make a conibution. the greathing about this rticular post whatever the limitations of the bget is that it's a grt bully pulpit. brown: why do you think tha the arts are undvalued then in our soety? >> well compare r support of the ts with any other frame of refence you like. england is the worst suprter of the arts in europe. about $9oo millionn public commitment. france is about $2.3 bl

. >> to reay talk about but we don't really have that. bell that rings that says this is it. >> you know the bell tha rings, many men waiting until the hammer falls. until something blows out in th body or their relationships, then they start to change. most men don't equate change with growth. that's the biggest problem. they think of change mainly as giving up, losing, failing. >> weakness. >> weakness. >> and that's why they don't go to doctors quite often because they're afraid of finding out something has happened to them instead of being more proactive and taking care of themselves. >> are men really reacting to what's happening in society? let's face it, men are not as powerful in our society as they were 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago and beyond. >> this came as a big shock, but 20 years ago men had no idea how to deal with this change. women were beginning to have a whole 92 vinew view of their li and men didn't have a definition of what it is to be a man but they're really gaping it now. >>ack then being a man was not talking about u

>>he key piece, jeff, is as you pointed out, is it's reay a tered system.readers ll still be able to, if ty come to the "times" site fr google or elsewhere, be abe to reaa certain number of ticles for month. the "times" has not dicated whathat number will be yet. buta some poin a wall will go up, and threader will be informed to read addional articles, you're goi to have to pay a fee. >> brown: bill gruesn , to fill in theontext a bit more, how big a problem is this r the "times and other pars to solve? what's the re now of the internet for newspaps in terms of their finans? >> this is really the prlem facing media rightow. they've seen their onle relationship and onle audiences growing dramicly, but they haven'teen the kind ofevenue from online growing at the same rate. a few ars ago during the yday of online advertising, media executes would say online ads are gng to grow in terms of revenue5%, to 30% a year on ad iinitum but that dn't happen. onli advertising is in decrat trouble right now. it's notroviding anywhere near thkind of suort for big news orga

we're going to bring in this outsider who reay thinks he can change everything, bring in a new face.d you saw, he whips out his list, half done. you see that was what president obama tapped into was candidate obama, this idea he's a new face, able to do these things and bring the parties together in a way that cannot be done. i think in his first year he probably has this list. you wonder does that go to your question, government, maybe these places are less governable. >> he said the problem is you say you're going thedo something and you do it and it's unpopular. look what president obama had to do in terms of bailouts, wall street t auto companies. he had to do things. there are debates whether he had to do all of those butty takes unpopular positions because of a crisis. that's what he faces whether government is ultimately making things better. >> then politically the white house will say if we had taken a poll we wouldn't have bailed out gm, over time they think that as long as he's got the personal credibility still with the public, they may be disappointed in all of thesehing

i think there's a feelinthat we reay need to get back on firm footing and kd of move this forward. >> ifill: are they cray in linois too. >> jt as cranky as they are delaware, perhaps more so. i think that we just need a little perspecti though. i obviously age with much of wh stewart said. we sll are a good ten months away from election d. if the economy tur a bit, if there's some improvent in unemployme, i think some of th mood may dissipate a little bit. another persctive one can argue ishat while certainly there's antipathy tohe democratic party, there ma al be an antipathy to incuents in general. mark kirk and ke castle both have beeincumbents. it will be a little t difficult foeach one to run saying they' going to clean up the mess in wasngton when they've ea been part of washgton for such a long time. whoever the democratic capd date is wi run as an outsider whoay be able to make a credible campaign promise that he is not parof the mess and wilgo to washington to clean thingsp. >> ifill: professor michael mezey, prossor joe pika and the nocranky stewart roenberg. >> i cane cran

and baghd, people in iraq have reay wanted to know w is this going to play out. how is the u.s. dicial system going to hale this case? are we going to get stice? so judge ricardo you arebina led today. what did he say. he w the he sense the ruli and what reasons did he give for it? >> he threw out the tire case. he dmissed the indictment againsall five member. and the reason was he basically said that prosecutors ossed the line. and theyishandled eviden. whatappened is after the shooting, the state departmentame in and said to the conactors, we want to know what happened. tell uwhat happened. and as pt of -- as part of their contct they have to tell the state departmt. but that is a --n legal tes a coerced statement. th're required to give it and so as part of e deal, yogive us a statement about what hapns, we'll use it for our intnal investigatn and we won't use those stements in any crimin prosecution. t what happened was those statements were us in the criminal case. they were usedo underpin search warrant, they were used to qution witnesses. the prosecutors ad them. some of

. >> i tnk there will be on certn selected issues, but there is reay no incentive for the republicans to be bipartisan. and i mean juslook at where the republicans rement they went through twsinging election feats. they lost 52 seats ithe house in the two elections back-to-ck, 2006, 2080. and the pay right now today is at a lor point in public affection and regard than it was in 2006 and 2008. okay. >> lrer: when they lost. >> wn they lost those seats. it's aarty without a compelling voice,ational voice, a leader. or a face. i mean to say whs the leader of the repuican party. and yet at the same time they a tied with the democrats who had trounced them in e two previous eltions. what is the incentive politically going in 2010 for them to be collegial a of a sudden. wh they have done so far has gotten tm to the point where they are at a parity. they're t beloved, nor are thdemocrats. they're far more poorl regard than the democrs in the polls. but they are at a paritynd they are poised to hav quite an election ye. >> do you see they don't have any incentive, political incentive to mak