did rebecca brooks discuss my line of inquiry on investigation with you? >> not that i recall, no. >> he went on to say to me, she tried to smear you as being mad. she was saying to blair, you've got to call this man off. he's mad. don't you realize he's mad? did you discuss the inquiry or do you know whether rebecca brooks discussed the inquiry with tony blair? >> i certainly had very little to do with the former prime minister, and i had no knowledge of discussions with him about this or other matters. >> okay. >> [inaudible] [inaudible conversations] >> well, okay let steve sinclair in, if we can just wrap up. >> did the lack of appropriate corporate golfer nance give a false sense of security that are news international was -- [inaudible] >> i don't quite understand your question. i don't think there's a -- i wouldn't say that there's a lack of appropriate corporate golfer nance. i think we had an instance here -- in. [inaudible] >> we've tried to strengthen a number of procedures, but, you know, from the governance perspective, there is, you know, we

did rebecca brooks discuss my line of inquiry on investigation with you? >> not that i recall,o. >> he went on to say to me, she tried to smear you as being mad. sheas saying to blair, you've got to call this man off. he's mad. don't you realize he's mad? did you discuss the inquiry or do you know whether rebecca brooks discussed the inquiry with tony blair? >> i certainly had very little to do with the former prime minister, and i had no knowledge of discussions with him about this or other matters. >> okay. >> [inaudle] [inaudible conversations] >> well, oay t steve sinclair in, if we can just wrap up. >> did the lack of appropriate corporate golfer nan give a false sense of security that are news international was -- [inaudible] >> i don't quite understand your question. i don't think there's a -- i wouldn't say that there's a lack of appropriate corporate golfer nance. i think we had an instance here -- in. [inaudible] >> we've tried to strengthen a number of procedures, but, you know, from the governance perspective, there is, you know, we -- i wouldn

did rebecca brooks discuss my line of inquiry on investigation with you? >> not that i recall, no. >> he went on to say to me, she tried to smear you as being mad. she was saying to blair, you've got to call this man off. he's mad. don't you realize he's mad? did you discuss the inquiry or do you know whether rebecca brooks discussed the inquiry with tony blair? >> i certainly had very little to do with the former prime minister, and i had no knowledge of discussions with him about this or other mters. >> okay. >> [inaudible] [inaudible conversations] >> well, okay let steve sinclair in, if we can just wrap up. >> did the lack of appropriate corporate golfer nance give false sense of security that are news international was -- [inaudible] >> i don't quite understand your question. i don't think there's a -- i wouldn't say that there's a lack of appropriate corporate golfer nance. i think we had an instance here -- in. [inaudible] >> we've tried to strengthen a number of procedures, but, you know, from the governance perspective, there is, you know, we -- i

thing here is that testimony by an ex-"news of the world" reporter accused senior leaders like rebecca brooksews of the world," he essentially said that they knew that the phone hacking was going on of celebrities and other really important people and that it was widespread. senior leaders of "news of the world" have said that they didn't know what was going on. and even the ones that indicated they may have an inkling, they seemed to say that they had no idea that it was that widespread. so these are really important allegations. important testimony. what this guy, paul mcmullen, also said was he claimed the public. and he said that they have an appetite for this kind of a market. so the public should take responsibility because they're the ones that want to read the kind of stories that they put out. carol? >> and they certainly do. no, what i was talking about, i know that charla church, when she was a little girl, she was the opera singer. they said she had the voice of an angel. >> right. >> she testified as well. i guess she sang at rupert murdoch's wedding and in exchange supposedly --

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baker and certainly in rebecca brooks' case she could do my freeing land because they denied that e-mail or that the ever had one become more than one journalist and of what became of absolutely obvious they kept it in april of this year and i could go on and on. >> we get picture of your view and you are entitled to your view and the people entitled to your view that the question is does the basis of your understanding have an evidential foundation? >> ivies told by a former senior employee of the news international it would be wrong for me to announce his name because this is confidential but i would be happy to write it down to you, sir. >> you got it from the source and you can't go beyond it. >> i'm very confident i was told the truth. >> fair enough. the full idea was a very serious issue mr. max mosley. to refer to another piece in the daily mail which is a shivering title that hands down has shown no balance and another example of comment rightly or wrongly on the decision. >> one could say that. i would say it is calculated if i put my self and

rebecca brooks and other senior news of the world employees have been arrested, but not charged. >> doesfficials tells me if it's james or the company, rupert will go with the company. >> i suspected that is the answer. >> that is the answer. >> gabe sherman -- >> it is unbelievable how a lifetime's work has gone up in smoke, possibly if it's not handled right in here forward. >> it's an amazing story. >> so -- >> thank again. >> they have got to cut off the deadweight. >> who's coming to thanksgiving dinner at the murdochs? >> coming up -- are we done? two special guests will be honored tomorrow. aaron mencken, and founder of operation men, and ron katz. keep it right here. companies you're just a policy. at aviva, we're bringing humanity back to insurance and putting people before policies. aviva life insurance and annuities. we are building insurance around you. >>> debra kenney founded the harlem village academies to create a new approach to education reform through a strategies of schools designed for teachers. >> most schools would not be allow to do do what we do. >> she believes