let's bring more with our roundtable and bring in rebecca choong wilkins and gina you. when it comes to china inflation, how should we look at this number? absolutely -- rebecca: absolutely. ppi, a little worse than expected but firmly in deflation territory. when you take the triple whammy of data we had yesterday, contractions of exports and imports, there is quite a strong headwind for china. unlike when we saw data falling a year ago which was the result of falling port prices, the problem is much more persistent. ultimately it is about consumption and demand. there's a couple elements. in part, china's unwillingness to launch broad scale stimulus. that remains an issue. the other issue is even if we do see more stimulus, that implementation take quite some time to play through the system. when you still have these property worries, look at country garden. this is china's 6th largest firm, struggling to potentially survive. i mean, you can see why confidence in china is so thin at the moment. yvonne: we have seen a little bit of a rally since this politburo meeting.