and law professor at the new york law school and former assistant manhattan district attorney rebecca roiphe. i'm going to start with you, rebecca, on this, because when we're looking at the legal challenge here, 14 states brought this case. doj is saying, no, we want to allow dodge to continue operating. what is judge chutkan considering here? what's she weighing? >> okay. >> so first. >> of all, i think it's really. >> important to note that this is a temporary. >> restraining order. >> that you needed to take a deep breath ahead of that because there was so much. >> totally. >> and like. >> i said, not to. >> forget the. >> most boring but kind of. >> most important. >> thing. which is the. >> procedural posture. >> so a. >> temporary restraining order. >> is just not usually appealable. so there's a question about whether or not we're even going to have an answer on this. it's particularly interesting at. >> this point that. >> said yes. >> so the key here. >> the question. >> is. >> what is dodge? >> so is. >> it. >> an agency. >> is elon musk an agency head? these questions matter for

rebecca roiphe, please come see me again. many thanks for this conversation. joining me now, alicia cross, democratic strategist and former adviser to the obama campaign, and brendan buck, msnbc political analyst, also former press secretary to house speaker john boehner. we're going to talk in a minute. i just want to ask you guys on the heels of that question for you first, brendan, after what do you make of this? >> well, i think it's a. >> very clear instance of a quid pro quo here. it's also one in which we know that mayor adams has basically sold immigrant immigrant rights, and the sanctuary city status of the of new york up the river, and for lack of a better term at this point, just because he wanted to have what is essentially a preemptive pardon to walk away, get out of jail free card when it came to the federal charges that he was going to be facing. donald trump made it so that this man is going to be able to essentially walk. but to do that, he has to do the bidding of the president's administration. he has to do the bidding of project 2025. new y

in our next hour, rebecca roiphe joins me. she is a former manhattan assistant district attorney. she's going to weigh in on the adams case and why her name was referenced in one resignation letter. meantime, overseas now. and breaking news from the munich security conference. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy is calling for the creation of a european army to guard against russia. let's go now to nbc's courtney kube at day two of this big conference. courtney, welcome to you. so what was vladimir zelenskyy's message to the world leaders? and that includes president trump. what did he say today? >> yeah. >> so in addition. >> to calling for an army in europe. >> so not. nato but a separate army in europe, he also called on european leaders to establish an industrial defense base here that they so that europe could create its own weapons, its own systems, without relying on other places like the united states. essentially, he was saying, look, we cannot rely on the united states to come to europe's back the same way that they have for decades. and now europe has to be ready to

winter, law professor at new york law school and former assistant manhattan district attorney rebecca roiphe, and reporter for the city and co-host of the podcast fat jack nyc podcast katie honan. all right. lisa, it has been five days. still, nobody has taken this up. nobody has dismissed this case. >> that's correct. and, katie, we have new reporting that according to two former justice department sources, those who are remaining in the public integrity unit. and i want to clarify for our viewers, our nbc news is ryan riley says there are about 25 to 30 lawyers in that unit total. five of them resigned last night. so of those who are remaining, they were convened for a meeting today by beauvais, who is the acting deputy attorney general. and they were given an edict. somebody in this room needs to sign that filing, and you need to tell me who it's going to be. one of my sources tells me that beauvais gave them one hour to come up with two names, and both of my sources say leadership positions were promised to whoever was willing to make that filing. and yet, today, at 3:04 p.m, we still ha