host: rebecca tallent? guest: there are two pieces here. the unemployment rate which you are mentioning amongst a lot -- especially college graduates and veterans -- i know is a significant concern society proposal that the gang of eight is putting together basis much of the cap off of unemployment rate in certain areas and certain sectors so you're not flooding the market in places with a high unemployment rate with temporary workers where they might have the possibility of having american workers fill those jobs, too. the second piece you mentioned was the pandering to people who shouldn't be here and i think there's -- that people are looking at the situation more in a practical way. you have these people here. most of them are working in the economy and we are now in a position where we have to address that population and deal with it in a realistic manner. one of the worst things we could do for our economy now is force people out of jobs they're working in and helping to grow the economy so assuming t

have robert, i'm going to rebecca tallent take your last point. guest: the numbers, that's a good question. we are talking about a population that's illegal so they're not on the books most of the time so inherently that leaves it up to question as to how many people are here. believe it or not, they actually do census numbers on the illegal population and this is -- 11 to 12 is the best estimate we have based off of those numbers. during the 2007 debate, there were many who said it could be up to 20 million. the going perception right now is that we're within net zero immigration because of the state of the economy but what does that mean? i think you could debate these numbers for a long time but based on census numbers, 11 to 12 is the best number we have now and that also, because those are census numbers, accounts for full families, not just those employed so that's the number we have now but i also think there is a big question about if you put through legalization program how many of those people would come forward to be legalized. that's a