and rebecca wilkins senior council for citizens for tax justice. thanks to you both for being here tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> richard, let me start with you. what do you make of the announcement today? >> he knows how to drag this out if he has nothing to hide and he's been paying taxes at a respectable albeit low rate, then he should put the returns out there. but the cost politically to him is considerable. it looks like he's still hiding something. it looks like he's doing it from a position of privilege. i know something, you don't need to know it. and he's wasting his wife's political capital. she as the candidate spouse shouldn't be talking in this way about this kind of subject. she should be reaching out to voters her husband cannot reach. honestly politically it's a waste. and it's head puzzlingly awkward and curious as to why they're doing this. >> awkward and curious, head scratching. do you think this was calculated? or it was spontaneous? because it was an impromptu press conference. >> i don't think anything that came out of his