joe cirincione from ploughshares, and rebeccah heinrichs from the hudson institute. thank you so much to you both. >> thanks, nick. >> thank you. f: >> woodrith the government shutdown now in its 27th day, many federal programs have been affected, including food stamps. so far, there is no major lapse in benefits used by nearly 39 million people each month. that's because the u.s. department of agriculture found a way to pay snap bene, as they are called, earlier than normal. february benefits, awarded eirough a debit-style card used at stores, are paid out this week. several states, including ecalifornia and florida, warning users to be careful and make sure they manage to make the money last longer. for 500 retailers, the probl is already here. that's because those stores needed to renew a license for the electronic befit transfer, or e.b.t. - debit card program and fail to meet a deadline before the shutdown. those renewals, required every five years, are on hold. sarah jackson is an employee at one store in northern arkansas. f we have been completely unable to t