john: i did where birkenstocks. , rebelliousis fun town to what we were doing.ut doing it in a way that we always believed we were on the right side of history, and we were doing it with safety first. we actually establish the regulatory framework internally before the regulations. those ended up being adopted by california, but we had more strict criminal background criminal still do -- background checks than taxis or limousines. we had a mentor program where we would meet, logan and i would meet every single driver, and so we were taking public safety extremely seriously, while at the same time having to introduce behavior and introduce something new. we said, let's have fun with it. designed mustache was to be a tactic to get people to smile, set the tone, and it lasted for a year and a half. emily: talk to me about how your loga relationship with logan has evolved. i understand you still carpool to work together every day? why? john: well, logan is my best friend. a lot of times entrepreneurs are friends and start working together. we did not know each other