and the full sized ipad with receiptina at 499. the rumor is that we will get a mini with the retina display. i doubt they can do all of that and maintain margin. wouldn't make too much about the unit share concerns. >> all right. john, i still have a question here, this is still a soft that is basically. >> i kind of doubt it. i think a lot has to do with the iphone itself. what they have to say about the 5s and what they're going to be able to do supply wise to keep up with demand. i think that's going to have a lot more to do with it. >> thanks a lot for that. apple, what's the trade. >> everybody has a good call on this. technically the call has broken out. to me, they have to get multiple products out on multiple price points to be able to compete on the point. >> there was no news out there for the stock to move. suddenly you get into the second half. now here we are over 500. the objectivity is extremely short term. they trade 25,000 each today. very, very active. i disagree with you. the one thing when you read the steven j