we are doing sentencing reform but we are also doing a better job in terms of reducing resit -- recitivism and if we can do that i'm optimistic we can make a difference and when you use the term mass incarceration statistically the overwhelming majority of people who are incarcerated are in state prisons and state facilities for state crimes. we can only focus on federal law and federal crimes and so there is still going to be a large population of individuals who are incarcerated even for nonviolent drug crimes because this is a trend that started in the late 80s and 90s and accelerated at the state levels. but if we can show at the federal level that we can be smart on crime, more cost effective, more just, more proportionate, then we can set a trend for other states to follow as well. and that is our hope. this is not going to be something that is reversed overnight so just to go back to my general principle, april, it took 20 years for us to get to the point we are now. and it will be 20 years probably before we reverse some of these major trends. okay everybody i got to get to star wa