missouri wasn't always a red state, but it's a red state now. you knew that you had an uphill battle. in fact, what happened in 2016. hillary clinton didn't break 38% of the vote in missouri, right. - president trump won missouri by 19. which i recently realized is like 10 points more than he won texas by, which is pretty staggering. - right, texas is more competitive than missouri. let's just contemplate that for a second. but the reality is, you only lost by about three? - two point eight. - two point eight, so you actually over-performed the democrat ticket by about 16 points, in terms of the margin, right. in theory, if i'm doing this properly, there are probably trump-kander voters. - 220,000 of them, more than any other competitive race, senate race in the country last year. - what did they see in him and see in you? build the bridge for me. - yeah, i hear you. look, the real particularly interesting thing about that, i guess, is that i wasn't out there pretending i was a conservative democrat. everybody in my state knew that i was more pr

and red states, people in red states will be impacted by this as well. abraham lincoln said it best. divided statesd on the east coast and west coast against the rest of the country, and the middle-class and respective states, i think it is a wrongheaded way to go about this. don't you think we ought to take the best ideas and do what is in the best interest of america? how about all the independents out there that this impacts? andmpacts all americans that is why this is most , the way we are going forward with this for sheer political reasons. robert is in california. good morning. vet,r: i'm a vietnam apache dissent and both sides talk to both sides of their mouths. that is the way we believe it. that is the way it is. this inlike to say california. my premiums have gone up. through kaiser. i asked why have they gone up through obamacare? they said because you can afford it. i said i can afford it? i am barely making money and barely making anything -- will work on the congressman's earpiece. go ahead and try again. caller: did you hear what i first s

what is not in the conversation, which to me is extraordinary, where are the red state senate democrats, senators that represent the states the president won last year by ten points or more and are facing re-election in red states next year, and they are not scared at all and don't fear the president's wrath, and they are not even in the conversation -- >> well, there's a good reason and bad reason. the reason is the democrats are coming together as an opposition party and that's something they will have to rationalize to their voters, and the president gave them cover. the proposition to get the votes over the line to alisyn's question is we're all, you know, in bad trouble if we don't do this. if we don't do this, we all lose. that's powerful medicine because it happens to be true. the other reason is the president will be exposed as not being for the middle class, and not being a populist, and not being a little guy. that will give cover to the democrats. even in red states, they will say i'm for you, but i'm for the group the president said he was for. by any analysis, this is good

we did an analysis of red states and blue states. it showed that there's actually a lot of agreement. there's more agreement between red states and blue states than between men and women, between young people and old people, and between americans and people around the world. largely there's agreement about things that are not part of the partisanship. we all agree that things that are less controversial, krispy k reme make doughnuts that taste good but are not good for me. it is just when they become controversial that they become part of this partisanship that it all breaks down. think sometimes we overplay the number of things that are part of this partisanship. i think there may come a time when -- you see this when war happens. people rally around the flag we stop faking about ourselves, red state and blue state. we start thinking about ourselves more holistically, where partisanship is not a thing that news is about. therefore it will revert to the things that most of us kind of agree upon. justin: the sheer volume of outlets is

democratic party throwing a bunch of money, it turns into a pelosi ad in a contest you are in a red state. you want to depart inize it as much as possible. we will see a lot of party trying to hold back. and roy moore who isn't a terrific fundraiser, you have the national republican party pulling out of this race. the outside groups are going to do the same thing and when you don't have the outside group, it will be difficult. robert: the national republican senatorial committee they are pulling their funding and they are giving it to the democrats. why aren't are they going to play? peter: this is not a normal campaign anymore. we are in a state of suspended animation here between what the republican party is going to do. we have a whole month before election day in alabama. you will see flir takes with write-ins. and a lot of people think that roy moore might win any way. on the same day this came out we had the louis c.k. and we are in a cultural moment. i'm not as cynical that somehow this is nt going to impact the way women are voting. and we saw it in the virginia election. i think

they flipped more than 30 state legislature seats red to blue. tatistically in 50 states it is a fricking story out of those 30-something seat that is the democrats have flipped all over the country, 4 of them have been in the deep red state of oklahoma. joining us is anna langthorn. thank you for joining us. thes a real pleasure to have you on the show. >> thank you so much for having me. i'm happy to be here. >> let's start by having you if i got that right. four legislative seats this year have flipped from red to blue in your state? >> yes. >> what is your -- >> that's correct. >> what is your secret? >> i don't know that we have a secret except for eight years of failed republican leadership at a super majority in both house that is's really let voters down they've woken up to that fact. >> do you have different kinds of decisions to make about ideological stands in the democratic party and litmus tests for candidates and things like that than -- are you decisions about that different than might be true in states that are more politically het

all over the country, they've flipped more than 30 state legislature seats from red to blue, but statisticallytically, in a country with 50 states, it is a freaking story that out of all of those 30-something seats that democrats have flipped across the country, four of them have been in the great deep red state of oklahoma. joining us now is anna langthorn. she is the chair of the oklahoma democratic party. thanks for joining us. a real pleasure to have you on the show. >> thanks so much for having me. i'm happy to be here. >> let me start by asking if i got this right, four legislative seats have flipped from red to blue in your state? >> yes, that is correct. >> what's your secret? >> i don't know that we have a secret except for eight years of failed republican leadership and a supermajority in both houses that has really let voters down and they've woken up to that fact. >> do you have different decisions to make about ideological stands in the democratic party and litmus tests for candidates and things like that than -- are your decisions about that different than might be true in states

classic red state.t doesn't mean what you th think. >> keep is inauthenticate in a long way. trumpism is coat either you put on all the way or not wear at all. you can't have it off the shoulders. >> certainly -- >> mel ania the way she wears her coats. >> donald trump rrnz home to robert mueller investigation starting to hit the ground with indictmentsen guilty pleas. was on the hor sigh zone now. we're hearing conversation that michael flynn focus has been heatedd journal has been reporting that fairly intensely this week. relating primarily to issue involving turkish interested in to put moving from united states and keeping in what the turkish government wants. that is sort of in keep what we seen in investigation to date. players that are caught up in it have not been caught up directly because of the role of russia. and any potential role your russia played in cam pane and loued thus far the white us to to say, look what they're being investigated for that we know of is nothing to do with us. noth

friend of mine started the website red state and put me in charge of it and things exploded. in 2009 cnn called and asked if i wanted a job, i had a friend who had to put up with me for three years at cnn and after the 2012 election moved over to fox where i have been since and my life has revolved around politics day in and day out. my wife is not political at all. we were in college together and i got to drive in jack kemp's motorcade while he and bob dole were running and called my wife and a friend and told her what was happening and she said that is great but who is jack kemp? he is running for vice president. she was silent for a minute and said you have to campaign to be vice president of the university? not a political creature at all. we don't discuss politics at home. i have in the past several years become more committed to my favorite. started going to seminary largely because i talk about faith and culture on my radio program in atlanta and started getting a lot of smaller churches. they would say pastor is going to be gone could you fill in? i would say no becau

leading republican roy moore in the deeply-red state.despite sexual misconduct allegations against him, moore is hanging in the race. kaylee hartung reports. the name dominating national headlines for more than 2 weeks. we know roy moore is running for the u.s. senate, and his campaign is in trouble. natsdoug jones for senate ad: "they were girls when roy moore immorally pursued them. now they are women, witnesses to us all, of his disturbing conduct."but what about the other guy - the challenger to the man accused of being a sexual predator? richard dixon, birmingham conservative radio host: "what we're getting nationally is, oh alabamians would vote for a pedophile over a liberal democrat."caller: "in this circumstance yes "richard dixon, birmingham conservative radio host: (laugh) "ok, well you are just saying it flat out then."caller: "yep, absolutely."butteddoug jones, (d) senate candidate, alabama" "i feel like my record speaks for itself."in the red state of alabama -- where republicans have held every statewide office for the las

also, if a democrat does win the seat, the state is very red, so it will be a tough re-election so they can hope kind of what you're seeing now with some of the democrats in states trump won hoping that they can come and vote with republicans on something like tax reform because they're trying to win back their states that are already conservative. republicans can kind of hope that if there is a democrat in their seat, they can get him to come along. >> evan, does trump have to step in and encourage moore to step aside? >> that would certainly help. >> and it could help his brand as well. >> it absolutely would, because republicans have been accused of having a war on women. roy moore and many other republicans who are defending him are saying why are they just coming forward now? the same could be said of harvey weinstein's accusers. now more and more women are being empowered. they're coming forward and saying people in positions of power have done things that are wrong. i think that's a very good thing. i think that republicans need to listen to it. i'm very proud that mitt romney st

so even if you come from a state with a lower tax rate, red state, it's probably a good bet that a quarter of middle-class families will get a tax break. i think the lowest i saw was 17% for west virginia. and so this hurts middle-class people, and it hurts certain middle-class people much worse than others, people who have student loans, people who have high medical expenses, people who come from states where there are large property taxes, people who have big mortgages. these are middle-class people. they should not get a tax increase. as mark mazur, the director of the independent tax policy center said, you could create a plan that just cuts taxes for middle-class people. that's not what this is. that's him. not me. but it's what republicans promised people. it's what republicans promised people. now, we'll see what the senate comes up with today, what several republican senators have already confirmed that the senate bill has the same structure as the house bill, and in at least one way, we'll know that it's worse for middle-class families than the house bill, because the house bill w

eye on, are democrats up for states ion next year in won by president trump in 2016, we call them red state democrats in the senate. none of them committed to voting for this tax plan. talked to many of them individually and they aopposed o bill, f what is in the including local and state tax deductions, and i think what it down to greta, whether they calculate it will benefit f. they stituents determine by looking at details of the bill, there will be a lot of avings for majority constituents, it may be difficult for democrats in the bill,s to vote against the however, that is not a guarantee, none of them committed to doing it, the resident has gone through with outreach for democrats who have talked to the president about and say n cooperation could lead to collaboration. but there is no real connection there, other than these loose talks that they're aving on capitol hill occasionally between white house administrators and key democrats. think that but i senator perdue brings up a good for , it may be hard red-state democrats to vote against a tax plan that benefits th constituents if t

he's the former editor of red state. he launched his web site, the resurgent, in 2016. he's also a fox news contributor who the atlantic has called the most powerful conservative in america today. he studied political science and history at mercer university and earned a law degree at walter f. george school of law. he lives in macon, georgia, with his family. in late 2016 he and his wife were both diagnosed with grave medical conditions. in the midst of his wife's battle with cancer, he was rushed to the hospital, his lungs filled with a potentially fatal influx of blood clots. facing this and contemplating his mortality, erickson published an unusual piece to his web site, the resurgent, which gets more than 2.8 million viewers per month. erickson's text was unlike anything he'd ever published before. it wasn't a story about washington intrigue or day's news. instead, he wrote about values, the enduring lessons that he would want his children to live by even if he were no longer with them. the piece went viral with an overwhelming response that stretched far beyond er

so even if you come from a state with a lower tax rate, red state, it's probably a good bet that a quarter of middle-class families will get a tax break. i think the lowest i saw was 17% for west virginia. and so this hurts middle-class people, and it hurts certain middle-class people much worse than others, people who have student loans, people who have high medical expenses, people who come from states where there are large property taxes, people who have big mortgages. these are middle-class people. they should not get a tax increase. as mark mazur, the director of the independent tax policy center said, you could create a plan that just cuts taxes for middle-class people. that's not what this is. that's him. not me. but it's what republicans promised people. it's what republicans promised people. now, we'll see what the senate comes up with today, what several republican senators have already confirmed that the senate bill has the same structure as the house bill, and in at least one way, we'll know that it's worse for middle-class families than the house bill, because the house bill w

and most of all, for many of our red state democrats, the deficit. the hole in the deficit which seems to be abandoned by the hard right, deficit reduction matters to them still. they're centrists. >> let me ask you about thecor theory behind the bill you talk about cuts for the wealthy but the core of the bill is cuts for business the argument is this is going to stimulate additional investment, it's going to create jobs, and ultimately result in higher wages. do you see any merit to that argument >> very little >> do you reject it all together >> history disproves it. george bush in terms of the deficit did two big tax cuts they said jobs would boom. they didn't. he said deficits would shrink. cbo said the deficit went up $1.6 trillion thereafter every time there's been a tax cut, in the reagan years, in the bush years, or recently in kansas where the koch brothers predominate and they had their great experiment, if kansas cuts taxes, business will boom, jobs will be created, the deficit will go down deficits boomed, growth in kansas last year, .2%

leading republican roy moore in the deeply-red state.but despite sexual misconduct allegations against him, moore is hanging in the race. kaylee hartung reports. the name dominating national headlines for more than 2 weeks. we know roy moore is running for the u.s. senate, and his campaign is in trouble. natsdoug jones for senate ad: "they were girls when roy moore immorally pursued them. now they are women, witnesses to us all, of his disturbing conduct."but what about the other guy - the challenger to the man accused of being a sexual predator? richard dixon, birmingham conservative radio host: "what we're getting nationally is, oh alabamians would vote for a pedophile over a liberal democrat."caller: "in this circumstance yes "richard dixon, birmingham conservative radio host: (laugh) "ok, well you are just saying it flat out then."caller: "yep, absolutely."butteddoug jones, (d) senate candidate, alabama" "i feel like my record speaks for itself."in the red state of alabama -- where republicans have held every statewide office for the

. >> still a red state at the delegate level. adolfo. how do you put rose colored glasses on what happened last night? how do you say not bad? >> the big surprise would have been had republicans actually done well in two states that are not republican states. let me just say -- >> you weren't going to win jersey. we know that. >> they're billing that in the "new york times" and "washington post" is significant. let's talk about virginia for a moment. >> i am not. you are here. christie smelled the state up so much, no way they could get guadagno in. >> the last four gubernatorial races in virginia, three were won by democrats. john mccain lost virginia. mitt romney lost virginia. donald trump lost virginia. >> nine? >> we lost by five against hillary clinton? >> nine? >> the point is this. you asked about what happened to this candidate. we already had a tough situation, at a minimum a purple state and another red state. it was uphill for us. the fact of the matter is, i don't think i talked to senator scott this morning, a chat with tim

there's more agreement between red states and blue states than amongst men and women than young people and old people than americans and people across the world. part of the partisanship. we all agree that, i don't know that clayton is a good pitcher or it's just when they become controversial and become part of this partisanship that it all breaks down. i think there may come a time when it's not, you see this when like war happens. people rally around the flag and we stop thinking of ourselves as red state and blue state mem americans. it will revert to the things that most of us kind of agree upon. there will be a lot more agreement. >> you can divide it into pre-fox and post-fox when news became ideologically charged on both sides. prior to that you had these term centrists. those personalities were turned to present a reason analysis of the issues. >> it's entertainment. it's not really news. >> david. >> rephrasing may be what robby was saying as part of the response. the partisanship may not be on action but opinion. do you see a role for media to unhelp in doing this. >> we're

those grants have little to no oversight said that red state additional oversight to be able to fix that. we put out a thing called the taxpayers right now. every year we talk about duplication and every year we talk about duplication from the previous year and it keeps going on and on. six years ago i put up the taxpayers right to know. we still continue to carry that here. passed unanimously in the house of representatives and is being held in the senate. it's a very simple straightforward piece. you can't tell where there is duplication in government say go to jail and get a request for them to study specific area. 18 months later they can come back to and give you information on that particular duplication. that should be something you can do and 18 seconds. we should be able to see from every single agency what they do. right now the new cabinet officials cannot tell you everything that agency does. there is no master list. you can't do a duplication if you can't see the duplication so that's an area we have to fix directionally. the final thing is when to be able to fix the senate

a loft the democrats are in red states, states that tr ■g■g,■if too we chose as number one is congressman darryl is ethanol from california who came out opposing the gop tax plan which is interesting. he's in a really tight race. he narrowly won reelection last year as well. barbara come stocks you guys have her on the list. largely based on just the numbers of the district. this is a district that obama had won, hillary clinton won it last year of course, but comstock had been able to hold objection to the form the question will be will democrats be a really strong challenger. there are really three or four candidates who are raising money against her. on this station, on natation, every other commercial, barbara comstock, luann bennett. i'm sure a lot of energy -- thanks for coming in. we appreciate you guys compiling the list. >> thank you. >> coming up, if you want the scoop on what really happens at 1600 pennsylvania avenue, you can hear inside others dish. coming right back. >> welcome back. so who doesn't love a good pod cast. thisser ' popula

the major drop in the polls putting roy more behind a red state that should be easy win for republicanslitical correspondent byron york says it could be a rocky road ahead for the gop. >> more than three weeks left until election day. a lot can change. a lot has changed in the last week so i am not sure the polls are worth a lot though it is clear that roy moore has taken a hit after these revelations and even in a solidly red state like alabama his supporters not what it should be right now. >> a mistrial of the bribery case against senator bob menendez after days of deliberation, the new jersey democrat making it clear he is out for political vengeance. >> for those digging my political grave so they could jump into my seat, i know who you are and i won't forget you. >> calling for the ethics committee to investigate. menendez was accused of taking free gifts in exchange for political favors which he is up for reelection next year but his numbers have dropped since the trial began. face coming under attack in classrooms nationwide at one school district is fighting back in the way vow

leading republican roy moore in the deeply-red state.nd there's a new attack ad against the g-o-p candidate. but despite sexual misconduct allegations against him, moore is hanging in the race. kaylee hartung reports. the name dominating national headlines for more than 2 weeks. we know roy moore is running for the u.s. senate, and his campaign is in trouble. natsdoug jones for senate ad: "they were girls when roy moore immorally pursued them. now they are women, witnesses to us all, of his disturbing conduct."but what about the other guy - the challenger to the man accused of being a sexual predator? richard dixon, birmingham conservative radio host: "what we're getting nationally is, oh alabamians would vote for a pedophile over a liberal democrat."caller: "in this circumstance yes "richard dixon, birmingham conservative radio host: (laugh) "ok, well you are just saying it flat out then."caller: "yep, absolutely."butteddoug jones, (d) senate candidate, alabama" "i feel like my record speaks for itself."in the red state of alabama -- wh

it's a red state and a deeply red state. so it is a very tough race. there may not be enough democratic votes for them to win the seat. now, that said, this is -- roy moore didn't change the topic today when he finally came out. he tried to reframe it as me against them, the establishment is attacking me. that's been a card he has played for years. but in his last statewide race, he only won by 52% to 48%. so the democrat was very competitive with him in his last statewide race and none of these allegations had been raised and the stakes weren't nearly quite so high. and the democrats could not have nominated a more perfect candidate, especially since we're talking about alabama than doug jones, who has a good law and order background and his ads have been exceptionally good, where he has alabamans unique to his race, he has republicans endorsing his adds and talks about honor and bringing it back to washington. he's a very formidable candidate in a very tough state. >> let's jump ahead to moore and nancy pelosi. i notice on fox a tough piece went up a

this is a red state tax reform in a lot of ways.ed state-blue state divide is more acute in state and local taxes in the senate then the house. california, they're going to be against it. i'm skeptical they are going to come up with something that gets 60 votes. >> bret: doesn't happen before christmas? >> no. >> no. >> i think there's a fair chance it can happen before but it's not going to be as ambitious as i think i want any a lot of people want. >> bret: next up, the fallout from donna brazile's bashing of the dnc. when it comes to heartburn trust the brand doctors trust for themselves. nexium 24hr is the number one choice of doctors and pharmacists for their own frequent heartburn. and all day all night protection. when it comes to frequent heartburn, trust nexium 24hr. his family. his steinway, which met a burst pipe. so grant met his insurance: you are caller number 12. which didn't quite cover the steinway. but what if he'd met pure insurance? owned by members. he'd have met: lisa, your member advocate. who'd introduce him

that's how trichl is trying to bring wavering red state voters onto the side of someone they may find morally repellant, that's what the white house is trying to angle towards, i made this point earlier on "america's newsroom" politically this is about the best they can do. >> melissa: jessica, can they succeed in making it about politics instead of about ethics? >> i think they can because they did that in 2016 as well, the "access hollywood" tape came out, people said i have a daughter, i have a wife, it seems really bad, people showed up at polls and people told people i'm not pulling the trump and then they pulled the lever for tax breaks and for a conservative supreme court justice and i think be that's where this argument lies. there have been a number of articles which we have all noticed about how trump is very quietly packing the court. he's made a lot of appointments that came under the radar, we had gorsuch which everyone was looking at. >> melissa: we're talking about t. >> we're talking about roy moore, more, and lavar ball and tax reform rather than focusing on this and

accusation -- that this plan redistributes the wealth from the blue states, many of them, to the red states like yours which tend to use more government outlays than the blue states who pay in more for federal income tax. what do you say to that? >> well, that's just someone that doesn't understand it. i would appreciate them to get in and understand the math. we're cutting taxes by $1.5 trillion. that's across the board. everybody's receiving a tax cut in this. and, yes, at the same time we do gotta compete throughout the world. we're not just isolated to our shores. we go beyond that. so if we're going to have the middle class come back and have a career, then what we've got to do is have those manufacturers, have the job creators be able to be competitive on a world stage. and at 35% tax rate, we can't do that. at a 20% tax rate, we can. liz: we're watching it all, and we're waiting for the senate to do its thing. i'm sure you are too. >> absolutely. and you've been seeing the stock market is already reacting. individuals -- and, granted, they react pretty quick to a lot of things, but t

there are a lot of democrats in red states up for reelection in states that trump won. this could be used against them. >> melissa: senate sources to our own fox business news to maria bartiromo saying this plan that will come out in the next hour is what she is reporting. it will delay the 20% corporate tax rate for one year. put that delay in place. what do you think about that? what would that mean? >> that would mean it would be less expensive. bob corker has said he doesn't want to add a lot of money to the deficit and he is retiring. he is a vote to watch. the state and local tax deduction change is going to completely eliminate it and remember there are no republicans unlike the house who are serving in blue states. so that's not going to lose any republican votes but that could be a reason why democrats vote against it. so this is going to be a difficult path forward. there are obstacles ahead but if you look at the house side at this point there are a lot more no votes on healthcare than there are on taxes. we count eight republicans who have said no on the tax

so the reason that so many conservative states, red states have higher levels of teen births, higher ls of divorce, higher levels of l prostitution, adultery, not because this stems from conservative values, it's really because you have lower investments in education in those states and less investment in social services. so if you don't invest in family planning programs in your state you're going to result in more teen pregnancies. so i think the measure we should seek from policymakers is maybe a little less pontificating about values and little more a living those values themselves and holding their own party account willing to those standards and b, putting in place a set of standards that make it likely that we adhere to the things we believe in, which is helping people end up in committed relationships that make us all happy and leave us to be, to live fulfilling lives. >> even evangelical christians are citing moore, athey're not necessarily speaking out as adamantly against al franken and john conyers. do you see an equivalency there? >> so you know, i think everybody is enga

but even if he wins, which i suspect is likely in this deep red state these charges and allegations about his behavior involving a foundation that he and his family controlled are going to dog him in the united states senate if he were to win the election. we haven't seen the end of the story. it won't end on december 12th with the outcome of the election even if he wins. >> jon: karl rove joining us today from austin. thank you, charl. >> melissa: new information inside the jury room in the menendez corruption trial. one of the jurors is speaking out after being dismissed predicting a possible mistrial. >> more people are changing their minds? is there anyone in there a big advocate for guilty? >> yes. >> melissa: jury deliberations are set to continue monday as the democratic senator is accused of accepting several gifts and donations in exchange for political influence. >> jon: new warnings by the department of homeland security now issuing an updated terror bulletin. the latest weapons terrorists might want to use against us next. plus federal prosecutors cracking down on big pharma c

when we talk about whether it's sort of building off of rewarding red states or penalizing blue states- if you pass a bill that's going to take away that deductibility from these swing congressional districts, you are going to put your house majority in significant trouble. and i think at the end of the day, if you want to see a bill pass, you will have to reconcile that. >reconcile. rob: it's designed to be a tax cut and not going to be for a lot of people. look at the six senate g.o.p. holdouts. holding out for an array of reeives. starting from the top left, ron johnson and bob corker. jeff flake. john mccain. susan collins and rand paul. more than they can afford to use in the senate. it's pretty tight right now. ed, over to you, the design of this thing to bring business back to the country sounds great to drop the corporate rate to 20%. how do you do that without giving them a big tax hike to the middle class if you are going to try to keep this thing deficit neutral? >> i mean, this is the great conundrum, rob. republicans have once again shown they were playing football and got

this is a close race that can see a democrat flip a seat in a deep red state. >> despite sexual harassmentxual abuse allegations against roy moore, democrat doug jones is still facing an uphill batter to energize his base. here is cnn's kaylee hartung. >> reporter: the name dominating national headlines for more than two weeks. we know roy moore is running for the u.s. senate and his campaign is in trouble. >> they were girls when roy moore immorally pursued them. now they are women. >> reporter: what about the other guy, the challenging to the man accused of being a sexual predator. >> what we're getting nationally is, oh, alabamans would vote for a pedophile over the liberal deck krat. >> in this circumstance, yes. >> you're just saying it flat out. >> yes, absolutely. >> in the red state of alabama where republicans have held every state-wide office for the last 25 years, the blue label of democrat is drowning out doug jones' name to some, even while his opponent is drowning in scandal. >> we're staying in our lane as best we can, obviously to some extent, it ooh es a distraction. >> bo

>> yes, absolutely. >> i feel like my record speaks for itself. >> in the red state of alabama, whereublicans have held every statewide office for the last 25 years, the blue label of democrat is drowning out doug jones name to some. even while his opponent is drowning in scandal. >> we're staying in our lane as best we can. obviously to some extent, it's a distract. >> reporter: born and raised in alabama, the 63-year-old first-time candidate is a longtime attorney. a federal prosecutor. who's best known for successfully putting domestic terrorist eric rudolph and ku klux klan members who bombed a birmingham church in 1963 behind bars. >> i'll work across party lines to create jobs and get wages up. >> reporter: in the state that elected president trump by 28 points, victory for jones requires him swaying some republicans on the issues. so he's trying to appeal to more conservative voters. focusing on what he calls kitchen table issues. jobs, the economy, health care. he says he would vote to raise the federal minimum wage and he supports the affordable care act. but for many in alab

i mean, we are a hard red state. and that is not going to change because of allegations. and for people to keep saying, if they're true. we need find out more facts. the moore family deserves that. and so does the young women who say they were taken advantage of. >> let me ask you about the politics of your state a little bit, you make the point, rightfully so, that you are a hard red state. the democratic candidate in this race, doug jones, is someone who has been running an interesting campaign. he's making the case, i can work across the aisle. i can work with just about anyone more effectively than roy moore can. roy moore is leading by only by single digits. is it possible we could see a democrat win this race? >> well, you know, i've seen it snow in april. but those are not things that we see every day. it is just difficult. judge jones has got to give the voters of alabama a reason to vote for him. and now people have always had a reason to vote against moore. so that is where it will get interesting. kristen, right now, i don't think there's a pathway for jones to

we call them the red state democrats in the senate. none of them is committed to voting for this tax blinker at document of them individually and they are opposed a lot of what to the bill including the state and local tax deduction. i think what it will boil down to at this point is whether they calculate will benefit their constituents. if they determine i look at the details of the bill that will be a lot of savings for the majority of the constituent i think it may be difficult for democrats in the states to vote against the bill. however, that's not a guarantee. none of them have committed to doing it. the president has gone through with lots of outreach for democrats have talked to the president about a bipartisan cooperation that they say could lead to their collaboration. th these loose talks that they're aving on capitol hill occasionally between white house administrators and key democrats. think that but i senator perdue brings up a good for , it may be hard red-state democrats to vote against a tax plan that benefits th cons

alabama, something that ordinarily would be very hard to do in what traditionally has been a solidly red state in the recent decades. >> dana: thank you so much for my next guest says the republic and party cannot have a candidate like roy moore running for hyper little office -- wrapping himself in religious virtue to justify his contempt for the constitution. that kind of fraudulence should of been the millions of moralists who moore seeks to speak. this might diminish his electoral prospects. noah rothman joins me in the studio now. can i ask you about the notion that some people have, that this is a fake story and fake news? >> well, the retreat has been saying that the burden of the proof is on the accuser. this is not a court room. this is the court of public opinion. this is politics. these are very substantial allegations backed up by 30 individuals, supported by court documents. the burden of proof is very much on the accused in this case because we are not talking about criminal charge, we are talking about the extent to which he is going to impact the republican party, impact the ch

. >> an uncomfortable part of me feels like it's a red state tax plan. across like a red state tax plan, and versus a blue -- and that only like -- doesn't that make our divide worse? >> keep in mind the republican tax -- republican reform, the bipartisan tax reform of 1996, the reagan administration started out trying to get rid of the deduction for state and local taxes. since then it's more of a partisan issue, because the more the high tax states are democratic delegations and few republican delegations and have a better shot this time, but always been something a lot of conservatives and tax analysts wanted to do. >> and here's the thing. that it's one of their main -- if you don't do that, what do you do? and -- >> this is why i think the estate tax, no way it's ever going to make it into the final bill. it's -- it costs too much. frankly, if you want to save everything else, it's too easy to get rid of it. >> right. and the pay -- >> get rid of -- too easy to keep it and not -- get rid of it out of this proposal. >> exactly. the pay for the are li

the deadline to vote in alabama in a close race that could see a democrat flip a seat in a deep red stateore isn't giving bac giving up, though. >> five state campaigns, 40 years of honorable service. roy moore has been intensely scrutinized and not a hint of scandal, but four weeks before the election, false allegations skewed by liberal elites and the republican establishment to protect their big government, but we know a vote for roy moore means conservative judges, tax cuts, and rebuilding the military. roy moore, the right choice. >> for more, here's cnn's kaylee hartung. >> reporter: the name dominating national headlines for more than two weeks. we know roy moore is running for the u.s. senate, and his campaign is in trouble. >> they were girls when roy moore immorally pursued them. now they are women, witnesses to us all of his disturbing conduct. >> reporter: but what about the other guy? the challenge to the man accused of being a sexual predator? >> what we're getting nationally is, oh, alabamans would vote for a pedophile over a liberal democrat. >> in this circumstance, yes.

that seems like somewhat of a good sign and red state democrats in trump areas where they are up for election signalled some willingness to listen and play ball on this. some of those changes reflect an attempt to bring the guys on. it remains to be seen if everyone can make that sale. there is stuff in here like the tax credit that are easy pitches and people can understand. >> they say they won't repeat the mistakes, but you do have the high tax state lawmakers questioning this. the property tax up to $10,000 is a bit of a concession to them, but not as much as they wanted. then we will have the full house. think back to the debate and the place known as the senate. to your point about the child care, marco rubio made this a project of his. house tax reform plan is the only starting point. $600 increase doesn't achieve our and potus goal of helping working families. that's an ivanka trump priority. this is what happened to obamacare. it couldn't be told to murcowski and collins. didn't pull back enough for the conservatives. are we going to enter the same land mine? >> in the big p

. >> that said, what we know for sure is that alabama is a deeply red state. and roy moore is not going to have trouble getting small donations from conservatives outside of alabama. my guess is despite these allegations. so even though this story has leveled an extraordinarily blow on roy moore, that doesn't mean that doug jones is necessarily going to have an easy or even winnable shot at flipping this seat. remember, this is the senate seat that jeff sessions held. this is really conservative state. very tough for democrats, no matter what stories emerge. so it's going to be challenging. >> challenging and all watching it. mike, some are saying if you are that republican that absolutely rejects this reporting, again, 30 different sources, that "the washington post" has for this story, if you are that kind of republican, then you should support the democrat, you should endorse doug jones? >> or try a write inc candidate. i think you raise jeff sessions, maybe that's the person, the kind of republican that offends the sensibilities of democratic america or re

something very difficult to do in the solidly red state. of course, even if they were able to elect democrat doug jones, he would face a very tough reelection battle. >> shepard: jonathan, and keeled. let's turn to eliza collins now, political reporter. eliza, if this is true, you should step down, she's made her statement, the women have made their statements, roy moore says it's not true, how are we going to ever get anything more than that? >> that's the big question, and that's the question that was posed repeatedly to senate majority leader mitch mcconnell when we were in a press conference photo op yesterday. they didn't answer any question questions. how do you? will you believe these women? how is it proven true? i've talked to some of the roy moore supporters who say that the only way it's proven true is if roy moore admits it. that's the big question. if roy moore is going to admit it and these women have given all their information and they stand by it, it sort of who you believe. >> shepard: the race with time and the state of a

you can't say it's going to happen in red states next year. but in this state, for a majority of virginians, a growing majority of virginians, trump is poison. >> of course, nick, tonight donald trump is disowning ed gillespie immediately. he tweeted as soon as he possibly could, as soon as this was called, ed gillespie worked hard but did not embrace me or what i stand for. don't forget, republicans won four out of four house seats and with the economy doing record numbers we will continue to win even bigger than before. we will play you donald trump's robocall for ed gillespie after the governor-elect speaks because we don't know exactly what moment that speech is going to start. but, nick, donald trump got in there, tried to help this candidate get across the finish line, and his candidate lost again. >> and then today threw him off the bus and rolled over him. i think that's because indeed the election was to some degree a referendum on trump, and obviously he did exceptionally badly. if the democrats had lost, i think it would have been a