it's not only redecide dundant, but that refers to specific types of collaboration? >> i understand that. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good evening, chief scott and commissioners. thank you for giving us the opportunity to speak today. i was also part of the working group. my name is jay han leaner. i appreciate you taking the time to update this. i just want to echo the same things that saira and maricela was saying. i know there's a lot of checks that you do before entering into a joint task force operation with dhs or any ice agency on what they call a criminal arrest, but in ice's only press release as recent as the l.a. arrest that happened this week when almost 200 were arrested, they call hrm and ice. maricela has responded to ihsi. they're basically the same organization here in san francisco, where three people were collaterally arrested. they weren't the target of a criminal investigation, they were just arrested on immigration violations. they've had their own press releases saying that they're using hsi as that arm. and also to underscore wha