if we had actually listened to doctor redfield and the cdc last may, the former president hadn't kept on changing his mind and changing these things, we would have gotten more schools back. >> trump's fault. >> he is a liar or delusional, what the cdc did under redfield is set all schools should be open but if you are skittish and not ready to open normally, here's a giant list of things you can do to get comfortable and that is the stuff with all of that came from redfield's cdc. >> all made up and he was a disaster. thank you. doctor fauci told the house hearing it would have been direction of duty not to collaborate with communist china on studying coronavirus. ♪ ♪ >> laura: dr. fauci was on capito teen fauci defended the nih decision to file taxpayer dollars to the world institute of virology. >> we had a scare in 2002-2003, that virus when from the back to an intermediate host, but a dereliction of duty if we didn't study this. we had a modest collaboration with very respectable chinese scientists. >> >> professor of medicine at stanford. he seems, he seemed very defensive since

that is literally what the cdc did under redfield as they put out all these guidelines. first of all, all schools should be open. if you are not ready, here's a giant list of things you can do to get comfortable. and that is where all of the stuff with the cohorts -- all of that came from redfield cdc. >> laura: it was all made up. phil, thank you. now dr. tony fauci told the house hearing today that it would've been a dereliction of duty not to collaborate with communist china on studying coronavirus'. dr. jay will respond next. ile. why wait? we're here nights, weekends and right now, to give you exceptional care and 20% off your treatment plan. new patients, take the first step with a complete exam and x-rays that are free without insurance. because our nationwide network of over 1,500 doctors at 900 locations all have one goal — to make you smile, today. start now. call 1-800-aspendental or book online at aspendental.com (vo) jamaica. (woman) best decision ever. (vo) feel the sand between your toes, and the gentle waves of the sea on your skin. feel the warm jamaican

. >> the former cdc director, robert redfield told sanjay gupta that he clearly thinks the pandemic could have started as a lab leak in china. >> i am at the point of view where i think the most likely ideology of this pathogen in wuhan was from a laboratory. here is some of what we do know. >> u.s. officials visited a lab in 2018. josh rogan sent back two official warnings. the first cable josh writes which i obtain warns that the lab works on bat coronaviruses and potential human transmission represented a risk of a new sars-like pandemic. the scientists at the wiv lab noted the new lab has a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this highly container. i am going to speak to dr. sanjay gupta. today the white house was asked about this new reporting and whether the white house is pressing china for more information. >> we are, we have repeatedly called the w.h.o. >> why is the u.s. relying on the w.h.o. this is the same organization that praised china's, quote, "handling the pandemic." the white house produced a report on this to

redfield said. he's talking about this virus transmitting back in october and september.it is transmitting in the community in china for that long. i do think big picture we need to be chasing down all leads and it needs to be a no-hold investigation whether you are investigating, other main theories dhhsof spilling over. we need to be investigating both thoroughly and neither frankly has been detailed in any way in terms of the investigation. i think we have a lot more work to do on the ground regardless. >> it is crazy to think that. >> josh, go ahead. >> i have to think of a slight issue. i hear what you are saying, d doctor, the w.h.o. spending years looking fedor raccoons or dogs that may have been connected. >> i have to interrupt you there. >> there is a lot more that needs to be investigated on that. >> dr. gounder, let have josh finish and i will give your time for that. >> thank you. without the data that they would need to make that determination and some sciences said it was a conflict of interest and ahead of the w.h.o. that we need to spend more time in the

redfield said. it came out of nowhere and optimized for transmission between humans in a way that no bat-born coronavirus ever had been. so what's up? i mean, how does it all happen? it's not probable. it's like statistically 1 in 13 million to 1 in 13 billion when i talked to our bio statisticians. >> you heard the push back from the deputy at the state department, mr. ford. what do you say to him about that? he called that junk science. >> the assistant secretary, acting undersecretary. he's -- he was obstructionist. he wasn't interested in this investigation. he was not charge of nonproliferation and he had approved of much of the transfer and human transfer of our scientists to wuhan and the capacity building after the united states, usaid had provided as his own bureau had. >> martha: yeah, that's another very big part of this story that we'll continue to dig in to. what was the relationship with that lab, why were there u.s. dollars and grant form going to that lab. david asher, i hope we can

redfield at that time, as you know, he was the cdc director when this was all happening.had access to raw intelligence and raw data that i didn't have when he was answering that question. i wasn't so surprised about what he was saying, because the theory had been out there. i was surprised he was the one saying it. and i thought that was really significant. one thing i want to point out quickly is that those people who -- people talk about that got sick from that virology lab. if they had blood samples that were taken at that time, and those blood samples are still available, you could then test those for antibodies to see if there was antibodies present even going back to fall of 2019. that could start to really lay some more objective evidence down. >> yeah, wow. >> wow is right. i mean, that interview, that whole documentary you did, sanjay, with all those experts now is like continuing to be more and more relevant given all we're finding out. thank you very much for that. >>> we have new evidence this morning of a potential cover-up in the police killing of ronald gre

redfield said to dr. sanjay gupta, and his theory that it leaked out of the lab, and he had access to intelligence that others didn't regardless of whether covid-19 leaked from a lab, because we still don't know that definitively, should this entire experience lead to changes and how these labs conduct their work? >> well, indeed. look, there are very few labs around the world that handle, for example, smallpox because of the concern if that kind of pathogen would break containment. it's always been a remarkable coincidence that the epicenter for the virus was the home of the lab that specialized in the study of bat coronaviruses. your prior guest mentioned that we have not found the animal reservoir for this virus, we have not found a bat in the wild infected this with virus. now if this is true, three workers with -- by report with respiratory illnesses from that lab are sick by the end of november very concerning, and again, all circumstantial but when you start to get so many coincidences, it starts t

redfield said about this in an interview with cnn. >> i do not believe this somehow came from a bat to a human and at that moment in time the virus came to the human became one of the most infectious viruses we know in humanity. normally when a pathogen goes from a zoo not to human, it takes awhile to figure out how to become more and more efficient. >> martha: didn't this time. went too quickly he's saying. we've never seen it go from an animal to a human and become so efficient in transmission in the history of suffering these viruses. why does this not get everybody's attention on both sides of the aisle? >> dr. walensky said it is a possibility that it came from the wuhan lab. we know the administration itself, the white house itself is admitting this was a possibility. what is interesting here, the white house in looking at their policy on vaccines and wanting to give patent rights relief to the world would be giving our vaccines to china before they even find out how the virus came from china. this is a terrible travesty and cer

redfield and others suggested. not that it was biomanufactured from nothing in a lab. that's number one. number two, what you say, the whole point of studying these coronaviruses in labs is that you slowly expose them to human cells and see how they behave. do they become more efficient? do they start to learn how to infect these cells in a more efficient way or not? and if they do, that's one of the things they want to sort of figure out early on because that is a virus that may have a potential for widespread even pandemic. that's the whole point of that sort of research. that's what he says is going on. not biomanufactured. but certainly sort of being studied in the lab in this way. so it's -- when he told me that, it was surprising. this was back in february. it was surprising, not because of what he was saying, but rather that he was the one saying it. you know, he was cdc director. he had access to raw intelligence. raw data. stuff that i don't have access to and this was his conclusion. >> dr. sanjay gupta, thank you. you were out ahead, as is so often the case.

redfield, and others have cast conskepticism the outbreak timeline. >> it was interesting, none of them it. they were all careful. what i thought was interesting, i talked to robert cadlic, he was the assistant secretary for preparedness response. and it was not just so much a what people knew in china, more of a when did they know it that he was really driving at. and he was really looking from an intelligence standpoint at the actions of what was happening in china. going back earlier than when the world was alerted about the virus. listen to what he said. >> they have recognized that something was going on in early december. so, they had about a 30 day head start to when they publically announced on 31, december, that they had this mysterious pneumonia. and so they were already will buying things on the market well in advance of what we were. so, they make a lot of the material, and things made in the united states, we found that the domestic supplies were drying up because of foreign purchases. >> so, i mean, i hope you can capture what the meaning of that is, basically, you know, t

robert redfield told our own dr.anjay gupta back in march. >> if i was to guess this virus started transmitting somewhere in september and october in wuhan. >> september/october. >> that's my view, i'm allowed to have opinions. i am of the point of view that i still think the most likely ideology of this pathogen in pew wuhan was from a laboratory. >> and with us dr. abdul el sayed. thank you for being with us here. your head is gigantic right now and taking up the entire screen but i know we were having connections issues with you. i'm so glad you're with me. talk to me about what we just heard from dr. redfield and what we are learning today about the origins and more questions arounding whether this came from a lab or from nature. we previously knew these researchers in wuhan got sick but the new detail here is that they were sick enough to go to the hospital for care. what does this tell you? >> that's right, we have to be interpreting this in the context of a w.h.o. report that was, of course, heavily chaperoned

redfield. you have spoken to several former officials who support the lab-leak theory.the outbreak timeline. >> yeah. i mean, it was interesting, talking to all those folks. none of them said, absolutely not. the lab-leak theory is complete rubbish, stay away from it. they all, you know, sort of were careful. what i thought was interesting. i talked to robert cadlic, he was known as the assistant secretary for preparedness response. and it was not so much a what people knew in china. but more, of a when did they know it? that he was really driving at. and he was really looking, from an intelligence standpoint, at the actions of what was happening in china. going back earlier than when the world was alerted about the virus. listen -- listen to what he said. >> they recognized that something was going on in early december. so, they had about a 30-day head start to when they publicly announced on 31 december that they had this mysterious pneumonia. and so, they were already buying things on the market well in advance of when we were. so we make a lot of the material but ev

lab leak theory remained a fringe idea until march of this year when former cdc director robert redfielday gupta this. >> i am of the point of view i still think the most like ideology of this pathogen was from a laboratory in wuhan, escaped. >> just a few days later the world health organization released its report on the investigation into the origins of covid. and the report concluded that the lab leak theory was, quote, extremely unlikely but the scientists had restricted access to chinese labs. new information is still coming to light. in fact, just this week "the wall street journal" reported that three researchers from wuhan's virology lab were not only sickened in november of 2019, they went to the hospital with covid-like symptoms weeks earlier than china's first official covid case. wuhan's lab director told the global times the claims in "the wall street journal" story are a, quote, complete lie. complicating all of this, china has not been forthcoming about the ornls of covid from the very start and for trump, the question of the lab theory was less about finding the truth an

and that's why redfield and a lot of others believe that's because it was already being exposed to human it's a knowable answer to this. but, man, we're 15 months in, chris, and still really not any closer to absolutely convincingly ruling out one of these origins. >> dr. sanjay gupta, appreciate you. >>> all right, so let me give you perspective shifter and then i've got a gift for you after the break or at least it's a gift for me. all right, here's a problem you should be happy we don't have. look what's happening in rural australia. you know what those are? mice everywhere, flooding farms, devouring hay and crops, scouring through homes, even biting people in hospitals. a pair of mice can create 500 more in a single breeding season. one farmer says i've never seen anything like this in 40 years. how did this happen? so now they want to use like stronger poisons, but they're worried about hurting native animals and that can get into the food from the farms. how about that, dealing with that in your hometown? just saying a bit of perspective. okay, from the scary to the sublime. i just

redfield was doing a good job. and resources.dance, some of which -- >> martha: the point is -- here's the point. a lot of these schools wept back already. yes, the trump administration was very aggressive. they wanted kids back in classrooms. one of the reasons they wanted that is because the study was showing last fall that transmission among children was very low. you had countries in europe, people all over the place in china sending their kids back to school when our children were not going back to school. that's why there was so much frustration. unless you're in a catholic school or private school, they've been back 100% since september, randi. >> actually, a lot of the charter schools, martha, have not went back. the bottom line is this. if we had actually listened to dr. redfield and the cdc last may and that the president -- the former president hadn't kept on changing his mind and changing these things, we would have gotten more schools back in session. >> martha: really? what you told me is there wasn't money, that so

been almost a critical nature of people who said that like senator tom cotton or latest director redfieldsaid got attacked by media, it begs the question, why? a lot comes to fact that media has ties to the communist party of china, to china. whether you know, access to the market. or other things, you have mayor corporations that -- major corporations, and politicians, starting at top with joe biden and his son who owes his livelihood to china, i think that is why there is not as much of an interest in getting to the bottom of this. steve: gregg your thoughts on civil action here in terms of people who suffered a loss? is that a nonstarter. >> public officials have immunity. but it is qualified, to prevail. plaintiffs have to show that fauci's conduct was not in good faith, was not according to his authority. that is the only way you would be able to sue in a civil venue for negligence and wrongful death, massive wrongful death, we're talking about tens of millions of people bev this is over -- before this is over, we just don't en worldwide. steve: thank you, greg for your perspective,

>> robert redfield, former head of the cdc that i have to reconsider what i've been thinking, to me that a huge shot across the about. is basically telling us he's not buying into the conventional narrative. doctor fauci is the same guy that more than a year ago set of someone disagrees it is noise or distraction. your honing in on that and he is getting nervous and getting a little bit at a time. >> over classic groupthink to be. appreciate your insight on this issue, existent shall be important. while nancy pelosi and chuck schumer waste time obsessing over a totally unnecessary january 6th commission a vote which failed earlier today, a bipartisan of congressman are trying to create something show has called for. a covert origin commission, likewise the second house bill would allow the families of covid victims to sue the chinese government for damages but that is not all, 290 of the congressman sent a letter today to pelosi demanding she ordered democrat committee chairs to join their colleagues in investigating the origins of covid. one would think that be an easy decision, joining

maligned that theory as baseless and political mostly because former president trump and robert redfield all said the evidence was compelling and should be investigated. even the director general of the who went against his own team and said china needs to provide answers. breaking today, republicans on the how intel committee say there's significant circumstantial evidence that the virus came from a lab in wuhan, including that in the fall of 2019 several lab workers got sick with covid-like symptoms. bottom line here, tucker, the wuhan lab theory is gaving steam and supporters. >> tucker: amazing but not surprising. thanks, trace. more than a year they lead about it. they lead. they attacked us for saying it. they're not the only ones. andrew cuomo lied about nursing home deaths in the state of new york. media organizations didn't cover that story. instead, they said that ron desantis was manipulating data. they had evidence to prove it, a whistle-blower that worked at the florida department of health. rebecca jones claims she was instructed to delete data on covid deaths. over at cnn,

ago media maligned that theory as baseless and political mostly because trump, pompeo and robert redfieldid the evidence was compelling and should be investigated. even the director general of the world health organization went against his own team and said china needs to provide answers, and breaking today, republicans in the house intel committee say there is significant circumstantial evidence that the virus came from a lab in wuhan including that in the fall of 2019, several lab workers got sick with covid-like symptoms. bottom line, tucker, the wuhan lab theory is gaining steam and gaining supporters. >> tucker: amazing but not surprising. chris gallagher, thank you so much. for more than a year they lied about it. they attacked us for saying it. we also know cuomo lied about the deaths in new york. the media didn't cover that story. instead they accused governor ron desantis, who they worried could run for president, of manipulating his state's coronavirus data and they had evidence to prove it. various news outlets say the supposed whistleblower who previously worked at the florida

there are more who say you need to look into it including robert redfield.g, look, it's not about whether trump was right or wit whether we were right. it's taking the politics out of this. >> yeah. and, of course t reason it's been so difficult to get these answers is china has been incredibly opaque and not wanted any questions being asked. >> that's exactly right. that's just one thing. china has engaged a year-long coverup. we can start at home and it must start now. >> josh rogrogan, we appreciateu joining us and pressuring on th issue. >>> still ahead, michelle obama and how she feels about h.e.r. own daughters get behind the wheel squloo and we have details on the billionaire bill melinda gates trauma that's been in the works for years. another day, another chance. it could be the day you break the sales record, or the day there's appointments nonstop. with comcast business, you get the network that can deliver gig speeds to the most businesses, and you can get the advanced cybersecurity solutions you need with comcast business securityedge. every day

that's when he really means it, folks. >> i'm just saying if you are going to call out robert redfieldwas wrong. didn't work. >> dana: mask guidance was wrong. >> bill: fair is fair. get it straight out of atlanta. you are losing a lot of confidence on behalf of a lot of others. you got that? you feel better? >> dana: i hear you. >> bill: i feel better. here is rand paul from yesterday. with dr. fauci. >> dr. fauci, do you still support funding of the nih funding of the lab in wuhan? >> senator paul with all due respect you are entirely and completely incorrect that the nih has not ever and does not now fund gain of function research in the wuhan institute. >> bill: this is very interesting the back and forth. senator paul with anthony fauci yesterday. senator paul is with me now, good morning with you. i want to cut through a lot of stuff. i know you went back and forth with him yesterday. what is your current theory today as to how covid started? >> i would say we don't know for certain. i would say what dr. fauci said yesterday was false. he said no nih money went to the wuhan insti

redfield under the trump administration as well, looking at the science of this as well. saying perhaps there is another story. i quwonder, could this mean thi needs to be investigated more fully and the investigation to this point led for by w.h.o. is insufficient. >> it is as aggressively as they can. the can't completely rule out the possibility that it could occur in a lab. this reporting in and of itself, i don't think, does much to resolve that. but you can't rule out the possibility in the absence of total transparency on part of the chinese which is not possible now since the lab has been cleaned and the chinese don't allow forensic access to dna. it's unlikely intelligence in and of itself will resolve this. >> i hate to ask you hypotheticals. but just to understand the context of this. if it is further corroborated that this was a lab escape as opposed to something in the wet market there as china has said from the beginning, what would that mean? what would that have meant this was an attempt to weaponize potentially based on what we know about this lab? or mor

research the phone she commissioned at the wuhan institute of virologic, former cdc director robert redfieldit's come from, media outlets in the washington post to "the wall street journal" have given way to that argument even cnn doctor gupta came around to the same conclusion. we laid out the evidence week after week and doctor anthony fauci, the nih refused to engage. the only official investigation into the pandemic origins is the utterly discredited who probe and this is not good enough, ludicrously pelosi and the democrats are demanding a 911 silent litigation into the capital riot but they are so deep in the cult of millions of times more deadly. all the investigative weight america can muster should now be applied to finding out how this pandemic started and why our public health bureaucracy made so many mistakes in its response. joining me now member of the house committee on the coronavirus crisis new york congresswoman nicole. great to see you, congresswoman. first of all, tell us what is this committee that you are —- what is it supposed to be doing? >> interestingly enough, as y

redfield offered, and i think this was extraordinarily unlikely or that the lab manipulated the virusmake it more likely to make it contagious. i don't think that's it. the way to know is to go there, sequence these early viruses and see how things went from bats to humans and within an intermediate host and i just wish china was more transparent about this. >> it allowed international inspectors to learn from this blunder whatever happened to make sure it doesn't happen again and there's no indication and do you have any reason to believe that the chinese will allow this? >> i don't know. what i do know is they have to allow this to happen. this is now the third pandemic strain that has raised its head in the last 20 years. the first was sars and the second mrsa, and we're not done with this and we need to know this and it is unfair that we had to depend on a whistle-blower in china to tell us there was a virus circulating in wuhan that was killing people. that delayed things and it didn't give us the chance to act as quickly as we could act and they're culpable in that way. >> they

robert redfield was the c.d.c. director at the time it was all unfolding and was having direct and regular communication with the c.d.c. in china and had access to raw intelligence and data. >> i do not believe this came from a bat to a human. normally it takes a while for it to figure out how to become more efficient in transmission. i don't think this makes biological sense. >> it is not definitive by any means, jake. you add on to that the idea that the head of assistant secretary for preparedness response talked about the fact they knew there was purchasing of large amounts of personal protective equipment in china going back to early december or november, a full 30 days before the unusual mysterious pneumonia cluster was announced to the world. who knew what, when is an open debate but you can see where the evidence lies. >> we heard at the hearing today senator john kennedy, the republican from louisiana asking fauci and collins and others before the biden state department squashed the investigation that had

robert redfield says that telling fully vaccinated people to wear masks reenforces vaccine hesitancy.> we have to make sure we have the science to back up our decisions. in the case of the mask guidance, you'll notice that's what the cdc is doing. take for example, the decision last week, the change to guidance where they said fully vaccinated people can be indoors or outdoors without a mask. the reason they said that is they have received even more evidence, more research that it affirmed three things, one that your chances of getting sick if you're vaccinated is low, second that your chances of infectiing others is low if you're fully vaccinated. and third the vaccines we have work against the variants circulating in the united states. prior to having information like this, i think it would have been premature to tell fully vaccinated people they could throw away their masks. we need to wait for the science and data and our guidance should be based on that. >> we're going to need a booster shot, those of us who have fully vaccinated within a year. >> i think it's possible we may, bu

redfield and the cdc last may and that the president, the former president hadn't kept on changing hisse things, we would have gotten more schools back in session. >> martha: really? >> martha: now a story exclusive with betsy devos, former education secretary under president trump. she was calling for kids to be in school full time last fall. great to see you. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> martha: what goes through your mind when you hear randi weingarten blame the trump administration? >> it's and outright lie. the blame lee is at the feet of the teacher's union and all of their allies. we knew last spring that it was safe for kids to be back in school. they were going back to school around the world safely. that's what we called for. that's what we encouraged and urged. here we are nearly a year later and kids have fallen further and further behind as a result. it's a tragedy. >> martha: in fact, here you are july 12th, 2020 on state of the union. warm this. >> kids need to be back in school. school leaders across the country need to be making plans to do that. there's goi

and even doctor redfield sent to me the other day, with carson mercer was outbreaks with the covid-19ed this horrific pandemic. it is a long way to go from the dog coronavirus detecting one person to our source to spread and requires multiple mutations. arthel: so we don't have to be afraid of the family dog. okay, good to hear. thank you very much. we will be right back. balanced nutrition for strength and energy. great tasting ensure with 9 grams of protein, 27 vitamins and minerals, and nutrients to support immune health. [lazer beam and sizzling sounds] ♪♪ if you have postmenopausal osteoporosis and a high risk for fracture, [lazer beam and sizzling sounds] now might not be the best time to ask yourself... 'are my bones strong?' life is full of make or break moments. that's why it's so important to help reduce your risk of fracture with prolia®. only prolia® is proven to help strengthen and protect bones from fracture with 1 shot every 6 months. do not take prolia® if you have low blood calcium, are pregnant, are allergic to it, or take xgeva®. serious allergic reactions like low

state mike pompeo, china expert, debbie national security advisor, cdc director under trump robert redfieldidence shows that i did in fact originate in a chinese lab, which means that what china did makes the soviets disaster in chernobyl looks like child's play. >> sean: you know, doctor, let me ask a question. my advice to my audience, everyone seems to be obsessed with sean hannity needs to tell people what to do. now, i don't practice medicine, doctor, without a license. you are the professional. now, i interview people of varying points of view, some that i agree with, some that i don't agree with, especially early on, we were all trying to figure this thing out there go some people had ideas i agreed with. some had ideas i didn't disagree with but let them decide. my advice to people as they need to protect older people, those with pre-existing conditions, comorbidities, compromised immune system, protect mom, dad, grandma, grandpa, where the mask around them, et cetera, all for that. the idea is you've got to research, it's all available, it's called google, it is not difficult to do

remember that the former cdc director robert redfield said he believed the outbreak started in september and october. while we don't know whether or not the researchers had covid we know the medical records are somewhere in wuhan and they won't show them to us. are the researchers okay? still alive? let's get them on tv and talk to the guys or gals. it's been a year and a half of the chinese government covering up what though they know about the origin of the virus and attacking any country asking the question. they punished straurlt for the starting investigation. jailed the whistleblowers. censered the krins. holding data. took the database off line. if they are innocent why are they spending all their time attacking everybody bringing up the lab leak theory and hiding the data that exonerates. if it exonerates them why wouldn't they give it to us? we can't take chinese scientists at their word. we can't take at their word the americans saying it was highly unlikely before doing the investigation. it's tough. but we need the biden administration to make this an issue, a priority and go

but vaccine rates continue to slow nationwide and according to former cdc director robert redfield initiallyted people that they needed to wear their masks, only reinforced vaccine hesitancy. cnn's senior medical correspondent elizabeth coen is joining us. what more are you learning about why people are hesitant to get this vaccine? >> reporter: ana, some of this is a mystery and some we have sort of an idea why people don't want this vaccine. first let's take a look at some of the numbers. if you chose five random americans data shows us three will have received their first shot. these are adults by the way. three are either fully vaccinated or on their way. one of them the guy in red is saying uh-huh. i do not want this shot. maybe i'll get it if you absolutely make me. if my boss tells me i have to but i do not want the shot. the yellow guy has not gotten the covid-19 vaccine and it is not entirely clear why. maybe they're waiting to see if other people get sick, maybe they haven't gotten around to it. maybe they have some sort of logistical barrier. that is what everybody is trying to fi

of the big things that really caught my attention, a few months ago, when i was talking to robert redfield does that tell us about it? listen to how he framed it to me, chris. >> i do not believe this, somehow, came from a bat to a human. normally, when a pathogen goes to human, it takes a while for it to figure out how to become more and more efficient in human-to-human transmission. i just don't think this makes biological sense. >> chris, i hope that makes sense. >> yeah, it does. >> basically, what he is saying is, at the jump, the point of the jump, the virus sort of sputters along for a while. it's got to figure out humans. this thing came screaming out of the gates at 90 miles an hour, and that's why red field and a lot of others believe that was because it was already being exposed to human cells in a lab. so, you know, i think it's a knowable answer to this. but, man, we're 15 months in, chris, and we're still, not, really any closer to absolutely, convincingly, ruling out one of these origins. >> dr. sanjay gupta, appreciate ya. all right. so, let me give you a perspective shifte

redfield about this at great length. we were working so hard. hhs, we were working so hard to get this information in early january of 2020 when we were trying to figure out what was about to hit the world. the chinese communist party had gone completely dark. they wouldn't take phone calls or answer our questions. we sent inquiries. we couldn't get a straight answer. ambassador couldn't get a straight answer. chinese communist party knew they had the problem and didn't want the world to know it and they still have a problem they still don't want us to know it. >> dana: the worst manmade disaster in the history of the planet. someone needs to be held accountable. this is brazen over the weekend ruse belarus hijacked a plane to divert the plane saying there was a bomb threat. four russian citizens are taken off the plane when it lands and the opposition leader to the belarus president basically arrested and thrown in jail. anthony blinken who has the secretary of state position said this. we strongly condemn the regime's shocking act to divert a

i will remind you former cdc director robert redfield said covid-19 was most likely leaked from a lab9 occurred in nature. there is also an italian journalist that wrote a book saying he is being black listed from advertising on google. bill and dana, almost 3 1/2 million people died worldwide according to the cdc. 600,000 of them were americans. people want answers, investigation. some people want conversation that isn't censored. >> bill: no doubt about it. wonder if we ever will. thank you on that in new york today. >> the more i look into it, this was squashed out of the gate by ecohealth, n.i.h., especially w.h.o. and china itself. so the american public deserves it. the world deserves it with all the turmoil that has been caused by it. >> dana: senator mike braun earlier in the show discussing the senate bill requiring the biden administration to declassify u.s. intel on the origins of covid. let's bring in ari fleischer. let me set it up with a "wall street journal" headline today. the new credibility evidence catches up to fauci and other wuhan covid deniers. saying mr. biden

because mike pompeo was saying there was good evidence because the cdc director at the time robert redfielding ther is evidence that we should follow here. >> absolutely. and again, this is why this is not going to be an easy questio to answer because we now in retrospect understand that the wuhan lab had legitimacy to it what but why d platform that an not d platform other things tha might be, russia collusion, the dossier, why not d platform organizations that were spinnin that up? as i say, no easy questions here . i think this will be litigated quickly and it will be litigate for a long time. it's going to have several different avenues discussed. hopefully out of this we will have a better understanding of what is appropriate and not appropriate. i think the key is going to be what is a more full or descriptive explanations of wha it takes to be removed or not removed. >> carl, always good to see you. thank you. >> thank you. >> the tele- band making a comeback in afghanistan even as the u.s. continues to bring troops home. is the tele- band surge that's happening now just a preview of

by the fact that the president did not make a single mention of operation warp speed whether it's redfield or azar or giroir or president trump. >> i'm one that wants to give credit where credit is warranted. certainly operation warp speed president trump put all of this into motion and mr. biden has followed through on it. i will tell you in the white house after we took our masks off and started talking about vaccinations he realized he was sitting with six republican senators voted to move forward with operation warp speed. he did give us a little credit, i will say that. >> we caught up on tuesday, senator, you told me that you believed heading into the meeting with the president yesterday that you could find some common ground, that there would be some bipartisan agreement when it came to infrastructure. you met with the president yesterday, he walked out of that meeting and said this. listen. >> president biden: i am very optimistic that we can reach a reasonable agreement but even if we don't, it's been a good faith effort just to start it. >> even if we don't. should we believe fro

redfield, former head of cdc said to me yesterday one of the reasons he is suspicious it did come from that lab. how is it that sars and mers and other coronavirus were limited and contained and this one exploded all over the place uncontainable. it was not something they predicted but it is definitely something we have to learn a huge lesson from so this never happens again. >> bill: you talked to us a lot over the past 14 months. >> dana: you have been an important voice for people to learn from. thank you very much. fox news alert. israel's prime minister is knocking down rumors of an impending cease-fire with hamas even though international pressure is ramping up for one. trey yengst is live on the israel/gaza border. good morning. >> good morning. fighting between israel and hamas entered his 10th day as israelis started another massive air campaign against the group inside gaza overnight targeting its tunnel infrastructure. the israeli military targeted eight miles of tunnel that was destroyed overnight. more than 3700 rockets have been fired into israel. netanyahu says there is

jackie: the former cdc director, robert redfield the lab theory is the most likely. now we have this cdc director just starting to sort of get on board here. anybody that i have spoken to, anybody with medical knowledge or in the medical field agrees that the lab theory does seem the most likely. why are those out there you know, seemingly denying what seems very possible? >> well i have a medical background. i am a dentist and i can tell you when the evidence points that the virus came out of this laboratory in a leak, i think the evidence can't be ignored. why the reason for the coverup, i think it is obsession by the chinese communists for control and secrecy and on this, you know, as far as not getting a, the biden administration to open this thing up so it is openly, so we find out exactly what the truth is here, i can only surmise but, again they just don't seem to be putting america first and quite frankly it is, you know, for future pandemics, i think it is important, significant and absolutely necessary we find out the origins of this covid-19 pandemic. jack

now we've got the former cdc director robert redfield, he said that covid-19 was most likely leaked fromoccurred in nature and alternative origins are possible , but today's big tech and social media platforms are policing content and clamping down on this debate. it seems to be another step in this growing censorship on these platforms. new report indicating that facebook's fact checkers banned posts that suggested that covid-19 may have come from a laboratory. the facebook placed a false information notification over these posts, even as growing evidence surfaced that maybe these claims have merit. now, there also is an italian journalist that wrote a book on this issue and he claims he's been blacklisted from advertising his book on google. remember, neil, almost 600,000 people have died from this virus in the u.s. alone, almost 3.5 million worldwide. that's the latest figures from the cdc. people want answers, they want accountability, they want to make sure that something like this never would happen again, and of course, if big tech stifles these conversations, getting to those ans

former cdc director robert redfield said, he, in fact, the virus originated in the wuhan lab.4 hours, this as both sides continue to air strikes. un security council resolution today calling for cease fire with israel and hamas. meanwhile pushing president biden to abandon negotiations altogether. progressives are arguing in a letter that democrats should be unilateral and unilaterally pursue more than trillion dollars in spending. many looking to take the path of budget reconciliation which would bypass republicans altogether and they would not need republicans to support it. unfortunately right now joe biden does not have the full support of democrats for this tax and spend plan. time for the word on wall street. top investors watching your money. ubs financial private adviser andy mccarthy, portfolio manager jack mcintyre and lpl financial strategist ryan, great to see everybody this morning. ally, we want to kick it off with you, we watch inflation, watch crypto currency volatility and we had the fed minutes out yesterday, they show that fed officials still see an economy