my career the red cross was running a service in el paso, texas, and i went on their assuming -- rediker had a contract from the texas department of transportation -- i went down there assuming they would have the cheapest cost of any big city in texas. and in fact they were somewhere in the middle and i couldn't understand that. the had volunteer drivers. well, they had to have a lot of people sitting around called coordinators' or social service providers or -- for the drivers who didn't show up when you have a large system of drivers and a lot of them are themselves seniors, then they don't feel well or it's raining and so you have to have paul fees paid back up drivers. so i think one of the problems is -- i don't want to do too much about this thousand points of light business but i do think that a lot little services, like thousands and thousands of little services might actually be a better way to do it. once you start to aggregate them up, then the drivers wages go up then you have to have dispatches and backup drivers. then you start to be a business, and i have looked at the in