now the retro rockets were sitting right above the alcohol tank on the redstone. now we couldn't have that happen though. in other words, don't hit the spacecraft with anything. we had volunteers who would go out, open the umbilical which had closed and put four jumper cables in. except to open the umbilical you had to drill out some rivets to do that. long story short, the spacecraft manager, bob graham, the tech supervisor is jimmy jones, and myself, we were on tier to go up there. what's interesting by that time pad safety had come and put all kinds of cameras there. i said now what the hell good do these cameras do? they said, oh, it can't do anything for you but at least we will see what happened when it happened. >> so that was all to save the spacecraft. >> all to save the spacecraft. though we went up there. they had brought the structure back in place. we went up there and very carefully drilled out the rivets, then very carefully incertified the pins. then when they said, okay, then we still had another problem with some switches that we had to open the