we turn to reed brody, who is still with us, counsel and spokesperson for human rights watch in dakarsenegal, was in the courtroom yesterday when the judge declared the former ,ictator of chad, hissene habre tilting. reed, talk about the u.s. role in hissene habre's rule in chad. >> i want to say the obama administration has been squarely behind this effort to bring habre to justice. samantha power was recently in chad with the victims. president obama himself met with macky, the president of senegal, 's effort. senegal they are in line with strong support from this administration. but that wasn't always the case. in 1982 when ronald reagan came into power earlier, hissene habre was seen as a bulwark against muammar qadhafi of libya, who had expansionist designs on chad and was seen by president reagan as the mad dog, the enemy. ofa way, in the words secretary of state at the time alexander haig, they supported habre in order to bloody qadhafi's nose. the first covert operation of the reagan a admininistration, before angola, before the contras in a progress was an effort to bring thi

and reed brody who wrote the pinochet papers with michael ratner.n: i would like to bring in jules lobel from pittsburgh. jules, you replace michael as the head of the center for constitutional rights. could you talk about his impact on social activism in the law and his model of lawyering? >> yeah, michael was a role model and inspiration for many lawyers and activists around the world, including myself. i never would have been involved with the center and i never would've had the career that i did if it wasn't for michael who got me involved, urged me to stay involved, and gave me the model of learning that i subsequently use -- lawyering that a subsequently use. his model, which i think is used by many people now, but which he pioneered him in her respects, is threefold. one is, he never back down from a fight against oppression, against injustice, no matter how difficult the odds or how hopeless the casing to be, no matter how much there was a lack of president. he took cases that nobody else would take for clients that nobody else would represe

we will go to senegal to speak with human right watch's reed brody about the historic trial