reenvisioning, what are you going to use those dollars for permanent supportive housing. what is the obstacle and here we are 10 years later we're not even close. >> it's a numbers game. it's hard to justify closing a shelter when you know you have 3,000 people on the street. but there's been a lot of -- dph is really kudos to barbara and her team, created about -- whether it's the sobering center, medical respites, sort of these short-term models get folks admires they might be not suitable for different alternatives. : we have the facilities. should we provide them in a way with short term [speaker not understood] needed? these are all rhetorical questions here. honestly, we did close shelters over time. nothing was a policy. it was theerithv of losing the facility. and, so, we do have fewer beds now than we did in 2000, 3, 4. i just think again, it's really justify closing we know we have folks on the street. >> the homeless count, how many folks are on the street? >> homeless county identified 264 folk. the same we had in 2011. 6400 -- the definition of homelessness,